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post #916 of 1126
Thanks for the insights. To be clear, I have 4497 Stows in 8.5UK and they fit perfectly. I have a bunch of Aldens: My Barrie-last longwings are all 9D and fit well...however for Barrie-last boots, I have to go to 9.5D or 9E as they are narrower than the shoe versions I find. My best fitting Aldens are my Trubalance 9D's. I have wid-ish forefeet (bunions) and a pretty low instep due to fallen arches and Indy's and such tend to be a good fit for that (as is the 4497). Richard recommends sizing down from the 4497 a half size so that would be 8UK. Now that you mention it though, that might create length issues if I size down a half size from 4497....

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post #917 of 1126
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Originally Posted by Baldrick View Post
 


 

Welcome to this tasty MTO. Regarding your size; I will say stick to 8.5 UK on 4444 as well. It is a bit roomy than 4497 but you should also consider length as well. My US size is 9 D on Alden Barrie Last, 9.5 D on AE Leeds, UK 8.5G on Chruch's and UK 8.5 E on C&Js and UK 8.5F on Loakes. After reading multiple forums, I went with UK 8 on Tricker's 4497 Burford. Very painful mistake. Even though typical logic is to size 1/2 down on Tricker's than other UK shoemakers. I cant wear my Burford for longer than few hours. 4497 last has low vamp, but the boot stretched to accommodate my foot and the width was ok too, however I cant chop off my toes and have to wear them slightly curled and heel hurts too.

 

4444 is bigger than 4497 but only slightly, and if you find 4444 8.5 bigger than 4497 8.5, you can always wear thick socks to compensate. 1/2 size large will not make much difference, at worst you will have little bit more space in front and sides, which can be taken care by thicker socks or tight lacing but nothing can be done about length.

 

However, the choice is yours to make. My opinion is solely based on my feet, which are wide with high vamp/instep. However I will highly recommend to contact Richard @ Shoehealer, he is the oracle for all things Tricker's, email him, he is very friendly and prompt.

i think i might be able to explain the discrepancy.  

 

tricker's 4497 last fits TTS (true to size), whereas the 4444 is a considered a half-size large.  

 

if your standard US size is a 9.5 TTS (normal width and instep), than this suggests your standard UK size is 8.5 TTS (normal width and instep).

 

on the 4497 last, a UK 8 would be too small.  

 

on the other hand, the 4444 last is sort of like the UK equivalent of an alden "barrie" last, where you size down a half from your normal UK size.

 

there's some debate on the forum whether the difference between a 4497 and 4444 is either a 1/4 or 1/2 a size.

 

but if you were a consistent UK 8.5 on a C&J, Loake, and Church makeups, than dropping down a half size on the 4444 to a UK 8 should probably work.

 

but some prefer the roomier fit, chunkier socks, etc.

 

where length becomes a huge issue, is when your left and right feet exhibit variation, but not enough to purchase separate sized shoes.  it's in these cases, where you really need to be careful about what works conversion wise.

post #918 of 1126
OK. So what do I need to do to get in on the order for a size 8UK?
post #919 of 1126
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Originally Posted by heterophilous View Post
 

i think i might be able to explain the discrepancy.  

 

tricker's 4497 last fits TTS (true to size), whereas the 4444 is a considered a half-size large.  

 

if your standard US size is a 9.5 TTS (normal width and instep), than this suggests your standard UK size is 8.5 TTS (normal width and instep).

 

on the 4497 last, a UK 8 would be too small.  

 

on the other hand, the 4444 last is sort of like the UK equivalent of an alden "barrie" last, where you size down a half from your normal UK size.

 

there's some debate on the forum whether the difference between a 4497 and 4444 is either a 1/4 or 1/2 a size.

 

but if you were a consistent UK 8.5 on a C&J, Loake, and Church makeups, than dropping down a half size on the 4444 to a UK 8 should probably work.

 

but some prefer the roomier fit, chunkier socks, etc.

 

where length becomes a huge issue, is when your left and right feet exhibit variation, but not enough to purchase separate sized shoes.  it's in these cases, where you really need to be careful about what works conversion wise.

 

Thanks for clarification, now I have a metric for my next 4497 purchase. I will still prefer UK8.5 for this MTO, this will be a perfect winter boot and right on time too.

post #920 of 1126
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Originally Posted by Baldrick View Post
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However, the choice is yours to make. My opinion is solely based on my feet, which are wide with high vamp/instep. However I will highly recommend to contact Richard @ Shoehealer, he is the oracle for all things Tricker's, email him, he is very friendly and prompt.

 

Richard recommended  the size UK9 when I had a 4444 last chukka boot made.  My size in the 4497 last is 9.5, and while it is slightly longer, the size 9 in the 444 last are considerably more rooming in the midfoot and toebox than the 9.5 in the the 4497 last.  Just one man's experience.  I have a wider than usual foot and fallen arches.

post #921 of 1126
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Originally Posted by monologuist View Post

OK. So what do I need to do to get in on the order for a size 8UK?

 

once we get reconfirmations from DomD, rainbow grease, and ravn, we'll each need to put down a 100 GBP deposit with Richard to get the MTO going. 

 

i'm figuring we should hear back from the other guys shortly.

post #922 of 1126
I have boots in the following sizes:

A) 4497 UK7 fitting 5
B) 4497 UK6.5 fitting 6
C) 4444 UK6.5 fitting 5
D) 4497 UK6.5 fitting 5

Between A & B - Width is more or less the same but B is slightly shorter in length and narrower at the heels.

Between B & C - B is longer and wider. The more noticeable difference is that there is greater volume in the vamp area for B.

Between C and D - C appears to be marginally longer. No noticeable visual width difference. The difference is felt upon wear with more room on the vamp for C.

Hope this helps!
post #923 of 1126
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Originally Posted by heterophilous View Post
 

 

once we get reconfirmations from DomD, rainbow grease, and ravn, we'll each need to put down a 100 GBP deposit with Richard to get the MTO going. 

 

i'm figuring we should hear back from the other guys shortly.

 

okay, i've heard back from rainbow grease, and he's reconfirmed now.  

 

still waiting on DomD and ravn.

post #924 of 1126
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Originally Posted by rainbowgrease View Post


Just checking, do we first submit an initial partial payment to place the order and then pay the rest once is it completed?

Usually a £100 deposit (may be more for cordovan), then pay the rest off either when the boots arrive at SH or in the interim period if you wish.
post #925 of 1126
Easy all, I''m away with ltd access so apologies for the delay in replying.

By the looks of the recent comments, I think we have a full 6 without the shoehealer which is great, thanks to all involved its going to be a sweet looking MTO.

It is a £100.00 deposit

I'll contact The Shoehealer and get confirmation on the next steps & specs.

Can those that are in & pulled the trigger PM me & I'll pass these on to the Shoehealer.


Regarding the pull tabs & linings don't want to delay the order by too long so is everyone OK with orange tabs

Lining - orange or red - shall we go with the majority - just let me know your preference here!!!


Cheers All & thanks again to those who have helped to make this happen smile.gif

Best
Dom
post #926 of 1126
Sorry, I don't want to delay this more than necessary but is it possible with an orange linning. I have a smal problem with a red linning and a orange pull tab, I don't think those two colours mix very well. Sometimes less is more an I hope we can narrow the pull tab and linning down to just one colour... or a red or orange linning with a more neutral/muted coloured pull tab. If this is not an option I am still inn but if you could consider this it would be much appreciated :-)
Anyway. Happy this MTO is on it's way.
post #927 of 1126
Just want to say that if the majority want a red linning that is ok. I just change the pull tabs, that's easy to fix :-)

Ps. Remember that the edge of the linning might show. See photo of my Snuff Waxy Commander with orange linning earlier in this tread.
post #928 of 1126
Hi ravn, i hear where you are coming from - with the tabs & lining being the same.

The order we place has to be the same for all - I'm not going to get too hung-up & don't want any decision to delay the order.

Like you say tabs are easy to change!!!

Let's see what the majority say wink.gif!
post #929 of 1126
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Originally Posted by ravn View Post

Sorry, I don't want to delay this more than necessary but is it possible with an orange linning. I have a smal problem with a red linning and a orange pull tab, I don't think those two colours mix very well. Sometimes less is more an I hope we can narrow the pull tab and linning down to just one colour... or a red or orange linning with a more neutral/muted coloured pull tab. If this is not an option I am still inn but if you could consider this it would be much appreciated :-)
Anyway. Happy this MTO is on it's way.

I believe the user 'Baldrick' requested RED lining.

I am all for matching lining and pull tabs and I do favor Orange.

post #930 of 1126

I will prefer Red Lining with Red Tab then, however if majority falls to Orange, I am ok with that too.

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