The whole cut can be treated as a trendy version of the plain toe blutcher. ^_^
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Good day gents,
This is the Final Call for the Dark Cognac Shell Boots and the Dark Brown Suede Chukka :)
*** I am pretty sure some of you have already heard, but there seems to be a shortage of shell cordovans lately and Carmina just informed me today that the shell orders might run a little longer than their normal 2-3 months time frame***
1. Punched Cap Toe Boots (973) in Dark Cognac Shell
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Last but not least,
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Have a great week!post #6534 of 1670211/18/13 at 2:48pmQuote:Quote:
But at the same time don't confuse balmoral with oxford. All balmorals are oxfords, but not all oxfords are balmorals.post #6535 of 1670211/18/13 at 3:58pmQuote:
Regarding the blucher v. balmoral classification and the Carmina wholecut's classification in that system: I appreciate the information supplied and I particularly appreciate Junior taking the time and effort to find and post the pictures from oldleathershoe.com and otherwise. I am going to do some searches to better understand how wholecuts are balmorals and not bluchers. I certainly get it that if a blucher requires open lacing and open lacing requires the additional two pieces on either side of the tongue to which the laces are, then the Carmina wholecut does not have those pieces and thus would not be blucher. . It also seems clear, however, that the picture of the Koji Suzuki Junior supplied -- which is described as a wholecut -- has those two additional pieces on either side of the tongue and sure looks like open lacing.
In any event, I will do some research and work through it, and I appreciate the help supplied in this regard.
But, as to the original question, I maintain that the wholecut, and not the captoe balmoral, is the clear choice for suits and formal wear even if it turns out my classification skills need some improvement.post #6536 of 1670211/18/13 at 4:06pmWholecuts have de facto closed (I.e balmoral) lacing because the tongue is stitched under the vamp, this is a defining feature of closed lacing. Open laced shoes have a one piece vamp, comprising vamp and tongue, with the eyelets stitched over the tongue. That's the long and the short of it and you should be able to see this plain as day. That shoe you just posted is a blucher or derby; I've never seen a shoe like that described as a whole-cut, it's just a ptb. If someone's calling it a wholecut it's because it has a mostly seamless upper, but a classic wholecut should really be the entire upper excepting the tongue made from a whole piece of leather.post #6537 of 1670211/18/13 at 4:52pmpost #6538 of 1670211/18/13 at 9:18pm
Sorry, by this discussion we are highjacking the Carmina-p0rn thread.
Actually this has already been discussed in GG appreciation thread in 2011 - differences between the seamless wholecut and simple wholecut (with a closing seam)
This one doesn't have a closing seam:
And there are many other samples of shoes described as a wholecut derby = single piece of leather with stitched tongue or only with stitched facing or with both tongue + laid-on faces.
Just two more samples
Three-eyelet wholecut derby shoes on the Sailor last. The upper is cut from one single piece of high quality hunting suede. Not seamless as well (closing seam on the back) but without laid-on faces.
With toe and facings skin-stitched with a boar’s bristle.post #6539 of 1670211/18/13 at 9:20pmpost #6540 of 1670211/18/13 at 9:49pm
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