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For sure.  The culture is the main reason why I always dream of moving to Spain one day


and the weather!

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and the weather!
Based on my stroll along La Barceloneta beach a few years ago there are a couple of more reasons to dream of Spain :-)
post #16848 of 18823
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I'm hard pressed to consider setting the record straight as douche behavior...

 

While it is indeed an internet forum, I'd still, given a say in the matter, prefer accurate information.

Setting the record straight is great, and appreciated. Your "please refrain" comment came across as smug and douchey. Nobody here is trying to purposely post something that is inaccurate, as far as I can tell. Done here.

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Based on my stroll along La Barceloneta beach a few years ago there are a couple of more reasons to dream of Spain :-)

Ah, yes... The cycling. I too dream of riding up the mountain passes and flying along the seashore while... What's that? Oh, he was talking about... Oh, I see.

 

Ahem, well, carry on...

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Is this the same J1More from AAAC?

 

Brother, where you been???

 

Good to hear from you my friend, long time no forum see.

 

Its good to see you here and in good form by the way.  :fistbump: 


Yes my friend...It is I. The long lost outcast. Banished after 7 years and 1000's upon 1'000s of posts for being born with the incapability to keep quiet when faced with the ramblings of pretty much anyone that believes in pretty much anything.  :fence:....:stirpot:-----

 

At least I can still find a  few of my old buddies such as you, rog, and fred over here at styleforum----who knows....I might even behave this time.... :devil: 

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Before the strength of the dollar Carmina was always to be bought at this price range. Actually Carmina never raised their prices it was because of the strength of the dollar they had to adjust the pricing. We were lucky enough to enjoy that period of time to buy Carmina at that pricing before the price adjustment.

 

I recall Carmina being the forum's darling back in 2012 when calfskin shoes were selling for $440 and Inca last for $490.  Then the strong dollar and VAT discount knocked their price down to $300 - $350, which ushered in a bunch of new customers.  Now that they are back in the same price range as four years ago, everyone is complaining about the price increase and that Carmina is no longer a good value proposition.  :puzzled:

 

I completely understand if you prefer C&J at that price point or believe Vass is well worth the extra money.  I also understand if you are simply not a Carmina fan due to quality control issues and the difficulty returning items.  I just find it curious sometimes watching how the winds blow on this forum.

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After breaking in, rain last fits me perfectly in my "normal" size of 6.5 UK without insoles.  If I were to size up to 7 UK, could I fit in insoles?  Or should I just pass since there is no 6.5 available in my size.

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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post

I recall Carmina being the forum's darling back in 2012 when calfskin shoes were selling for $440 and Inca last for $490.  Then the strong dollar and VAT discount knocked their price down to $300 - $350, which ushered in a bunch of new customers.  Now that they are back in the same price range as four years ago, everyone is complaining about the price increase and that Carmina is no longer a good value proposition.  puzzled.gif

I completely understand if you prefer C&J at that price point or believe Vass is well worth the extra money.  I also understand if you are simply not a Carmina fan due to quality control issues and the difficulty returning items.  I just find it curious sometimes watching how the winds blow on this forum.

You just can't put the genie back in the bottle, I guess.
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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post
 

 

I recall Carmina being the forum's darling back in 2012 when calfskin shoes were selling for $440 and Inca last for $490.  Then the strong dollar and VAT discount knocked their price down to $300 - $350, which ushered in a bunch of new customers.  Now that they are back in the same price range as four years ago, everyone is complaining about the price increase and that Carmina is no longer a good value proposition.  :puzzled:

 

I completely understand if you prefer C&J at that price point or believe Vass is well worth the extra money.  I also understand if you are simply not a Carmina fan due to quality control issues and the difficulty returning items.  I just find it curious sometimes watching how the winds blow on this forum.


Funny... to me....taking off VAT is not a "discount" versus a "I'll be seeing the bill later"...My last shipment found me with a $200 tax/admin bill the day after it arrived...Do they not collect duties on a regular basis in the U.S?

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Funny... to me....taking off VAT is not a "discount" versus a "I'll be seeing the bill later"...My last shipment found me with a $200 tax/admin bill the day after it arrived...Do they not collect duties on a regular basis in the U.S?

 

No.  I've paid duties on maybe 1/3 of my Carmina orders and the duty is typically $30 or so.  The only time I've been pounded by duty was $75 for a pair of C&J Islays.

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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post
 

 

I recall Carmina being the forum's darling back in 2012 when calfskin shoes were selling for $440 and Inca last for $490.  Then the strong dollar and VAT discount knocked their price down to $300 - $350, which ushered in a bunch of new customers.  Now that they are back in the same price range as four years ago, everyone is complaining about the price increase and that Carmina is no longer a good value proposition.  :puzzled:

 

I completely understand if you prefer C&J at that price point or believe Vass is well worth the extra money.  I also understand if you are simply not a Carmina fan due to quality control issues and the difficulty returning items.  I just find it curious sometimes watching how the winds blow on this forum.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Carmina came to prominence intially via the Amoury, who's pricing structure has always been gouge inspired. The moment their authorized dealer network began to grow, those prices, at least in Europe plummeted. I dont think that you could contend that the intended price was $440-490 since when Carmina's webshop came online, prices were around 300 Euro's. American retailers were always higher I will grant you, due to the added costs associated with importing.

 

I dont think this has anything to do with wind blowing. Carmina set expectations with a pricing model that offered great value at a circa $325 price point. When you raise prices 50% but dont offer any added quality, there is bound to be fall out and questions of value proposition. There will be an adjustment period as in anything pricing change where some people will move up with the price and stay with the brand and others will move on. My point in all of this to repeat, is that at $325, there was nothing on the market even close to Carmina. At $450 and up, there are a lot of established competitors offering what I believe to be a better quality product. It will be interesting to see if Carmina continues to grow at this price point or stalls.

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Originally Posted by justonemore View Post
 


Funny... to me....taking off VAT is not a "discount" versus a "I'll be seeing the bill later"...My last shipment found me with a $200 tax/admin bill the day after it arrived...Do they not collect duties on a regular basis in the U.S?

 

If they ship using national post, which forwards to USPS once in the USA, they almost never collect customs. FedEx almost always does charge customs, and adds their own charges. However, US customs charges are much lower anyway.

 

For example, on a $500 pair of shell Carminas, I paid about $25 in FedEx fees (which broke down to roughly $15 in duties and $10 in FedEx fees).

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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post
 

 

No.  I've paid duties on maybe 1/3 of my Carmina orders and the duty is typically $30 or so.  The only time I've been pounded by duty was $75 for a pair of C&J Islays.

$18 in duties for each of my Carminas... No wonder America is in decline...

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Originally Posted by bdavro23 View Post
 

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Carmina came to prominence intially via the Amoury, who's pricing structure has always been gouge inspired. The moment their authorized dealer network began to grow, those prices, at least in Europe plummeted. I dont think that you could contend that the intended price was $440-490 since when Carmina's webshop came online, prices were around 300 Euro's. American retailers were always higher I will grant you, due to the added costs associated with importing.

 

I dont think this has anything to do with wind blowing. Carmina set expectations with a pricing model that offered great value at a circa $325 price point. When you raise prices 50% but dont offer any added quality, there is bound to be fall out and questions of value proposition. There will be an adjustment period as in anything pricing change where some people will move up with the price and stay with the brand and others will move on. My point in all of this to repeat, is that at $325, there was nothing on the market even close to Carmina. At $450 and up, there are a lot of established competitors offering what I believe to be a better quality product. It will be interesting to see if Carmina continues to grow at this price point or stalls.

 

I think you are a little off timing wise.  I ordered multiple pairs from the webshop and Carmina directly in 2013.  Inca last was $490 and several non-inca pairs ranged from $390 - $440.  I recall 2014 as the first time prices started to drop from where they had been for at least the previous two years and Skoak really coming into prominence, even though they had been selling Carmina for some time before that.

 

I think  you are correct, though, that expectations have clearly changed with where pricing has been recently.

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Originally Posted by bdavro23 View Post

$18 in duties for each of my Carminas... No wonder America is in decline...

You guys have it good there. I pay $70 +/- duty for each Carmina in my country.
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