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post #16831 of 18840
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Originally Posted by Watchman1 View Post
 

My opinion is that both Alden and Carmina are overpriced...

 

With the way you laid the facts out, you make a compelling argument.

post #16832 of 18840
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Originally Posted by justonemore View Post
 

 

When the master speaks the students should listen....:cheers:


Is this the same J1More from AAAC?

 

Brother, where you been???

 

Good to hear from you my friend, long time no forum see.

 

Its good to see you here and in good form by the way.  :fistbump: 

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I don't know, maybe Alden and Carmina calf are overpriced, but at the same time I think most people agree that they're a step up from AE.  I can't really think of any makers that are better quality than AE and yet priced significantly below Carmina and Alden.  So in my mind, that price bump is just what you pay to get to the next level of quality.  But I could be wrong.  Maybe Carlos Santos?  Meermin, maybe, but I put Meermin more on par with AE, personally.  

 

On the other hand, I think that shell is overpriced in general.  It's demanding a huge premium right now and I just don't think it's worth it.

post #16834 of 18840
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Originally Posted by bamgrinus View Post
 

I don't know, maybe Alden and Carmina calf are overpriced, but at the same time I think most people agree that they're a step up from AE.  I can't really think of any makers that are better quality than AE and yet priced significantly below Carmina and Alden.  So in my mind, that price bump is just what you pay to get to the next level of quality.  But I could be wrong.  Maybe Carlos Santos?  Meermin, maybe, but I put Meermin more on par with AE, personally.  

 

On the other hand, I think that shell is overpriced in general.  It's demanding a huge premium right now and I just don't think it's worth it.

I agree with this^. At similar pricing, Carmina is a better product than AE. I dont think it is as good a product as AS, CJ, Vass, which is effectively who they are competing against in their new price bracket. I also think that Carmina's lasts leave much to be desired, though they are better than AE.

 

I just ordered my first pair of Meermin, mostly out of curiosity and my expectations are realistic, so we'll see how they compare.

 

AE has just gone to shit, honestly. Over the past few years, the quality has plummeted and I doubt I will add anything else from them to my collection. You cant argue with their customer service however.

post #16835 of 18840
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Originally Posted by bdavro23 View Post

Sorry to harp on about this, but Carmina's pricing is immaterial, as they raised prices significantly with no added value. I understand the reasons they did so and I am not saying its not a fine product. My point is that the value proposition of Carmina has dropped dramatically.
Before the strength of the dollar Carmina was always to be bought at this price range. Actually Carmina never raised their prices it was because of the strength of the dollar they had to adjust the pricing. We were lucky enough to enjoy that period of time to buy Carmina at that pricing before the price adjustment.
post #16836 of 18840
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Originally Posted by bamgrinus View Post
 

 

 

On the other hand, I think that shell is overpriced in general.  It's demanding a huge premium right now and I just don't think it's worth it.

Can anyone back me up on this? I could swear that when I went through my Alden phase in 2008,  that Shoemart was selling shell at around $600....I'm looking at the site now and seeing prices for Alden shell at $686....An $86 increase over a 7-8 year period isn't really "a huge premium right now" is it? Or am I missing something here?

post #16837 of 18840
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Originally Posted by justonemore View Post
 

Can anyone back me up on this? I could swear that when I went through my Alden phase in 2008,  that Shoemart was selling shell at around $600....I'm looking at the site now and seeing prices for Alden shell at $686....A $86 increase over a 7-8 year period isn't really "a huge premium right now" is it?

 

Think he meant with regards to shell in general, not specifically Alden. 

post #16838 of 18840
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Originally Posted by vmss View Post


Before the strength of the dollar Carmina was always to be bought at this price range. Actually Carmina never raised their prices it was because of the strength of the dollar they had to adjust the pricing. We were lucky enough to enjoy that period of time to buy Carmina at that pricing before the price adjustment.

This is not entirely accurate. Carmina raised their prices in response to complaints from some of their retailers that Carmina and a few other retailers were undercutting everyone else on price. Specifically in the American market, where overseas vendors and Carmina's webstore could sell with a VAT discount, thereby depressing the price further. The weak Euro didnt help, but to paint this as a response to FOREX does not tell the story.

 

I'm not castigating them for the increase and as I said, I understand the logic behind their actions. I personally believe the increase has had a dramatic effect on their value proposition though and it has caused me to look elsewhere for the most part.

post #16839 of 18840
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Originally Posted by rbhan12 View Post
 

 

Think he meant with regards to shell in general, not specifically Alden. 

My point was more that it is  not demanding "a huge premium right now" versus it having been that way for as long as I've paid any attention to the topic. It's not a current market thing...It's a historical market thing. Of course I'm just using Alden as a quick example but it's hard to imagine everyone raising their shell prices that much more than Alden over that same time period. Not to mention that if I'm not mistaken the cost of Alden's calf has gone up proportionately during the same time period.

 

Now if someone wants to pay extra for shell over calf that's their own judgement as to whether or not the premium is worth it...same with croc or ray or anything else under the sun that strays from the standard calf. lol...but let's not pretend that it's a current issue that will dissapear tomorrow or next week. I would think that if we are lucky, rates will continue to rise at the same level versus actually going through the roof..

post #16840 of 18840
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Originally Posted by MBoxer View Post


Good to hear. The site is unclear, as when you add some shoes to cart without 'shoe tree' selected, the cart gives no indication that shoe trees are included, whereas when you selected previously they would be added and indicated with no additional charge. In any case, thanks for verifying.

Please refrain from being a douche in your replies. This is an Internet forum, not stone tablets brought down from the mountain top.

I'm hard pressed to consider setting the record straight as douche behavior...

 

While it is indeed an internet forum, I'd still, given a say in the matter, prefer accurate information.

post #16841 of 18840
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Originally Posted by neelp3 View Post
 

 I'm still waiting to hear back from Betty, which is part of my frustration...

 

I'm as impatient as anybody, but just keep in mind that it's not unusual for these things to take a little more time given the culture over there.

 

Also, she probably get here inbox slammed with spam, being that people are always posting her email here.

 

(People write code that crawls the web looking for xxx@xxx.xxx and then scrapes those bits of text and aggregates them. Then they sell the lists of email addresses in bulk to people who want to make giant email marketing lists (aka spammers).  Thats why people sometimes write email addresses using [at] instead of @, in order to avoid having this happen.)

post #16842 of 18840
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I'm as impatient as anybody, but just keep in mind that it's not unusual for these things to take a little more time given the culture over there.

 

Also, she probably get here inbox slammed with spam, being that people are always posting her email here.

 

(People write code that crawls the web looking for xxx@xxx.xxx and then scrapes those bits of text, aggregate them and then sell the lists of email addresses in bulk to people who want to make giant email marketing lists (aka spammers))

:spam: :spam: :spam:

post #16843 of 18840
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Originally Posted by Watchman1 View Post
 

My opinion is that both Alden and Carmina are overpriced...

EG, GG, Carmina, Alden, CJ HG, Berlutti, JL and some other brands are much overpriced.  But WE still buy them in tons.  How come are they overpriced?.

 

For the first time in my live I have been purchasing, among those above, Yanko and Mermin.  Those are giving me the same value satisfaction.

 

I just refrain to mention great quality value shoe brands propositions otherwise tomorrow they will be in the non value proposition and I might sitll buy them.

 

WE all know that.

 

Just saying.

post #16844 of 18840
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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post
 

I'm as impatient as anybody, but just keep in mind that it's not unusual for these things to take a little more time given the culture over there.

 

Also, she probably get here inbox slammed with spam, being that people are always posting her email here.

 

(People write code that crawls the web looking for xxx@xxx.xxx and then scrapes those bits of text and aggregates them. Then they sell the lists of email addresses in bulk to people who want to make giant email marketing lists (aka spammers).  Thats why people sometimes write email addresses using [at] instead of @, in order to avoid having this happen.)

 

For sure.  The culture is the main reason why I always dream of moving to Spain one day

post #16845 of 18840
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Originally Posted by neelp3 View Post
 

 

For sure.  The culture is the main reason why I always dream of moving to Spain one day

Yes, you are right, but you better come with your USD savings, hahahahaha.

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