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post #16606 of 19297
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Originally Posted by ericgereghty View Post

At $472, they'd appear to be creeping ever closer to what I like to call the "fuck off" territory lol.

I don't see any price change on their international site.
post #16607 of 19297
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Originally Posted by vmss View Post


I don't see any price change on their international site.

Given the EUR/USD, it is likely only US.

post #16608 of 19297
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It appears that the prices online when up again! Starting to think they are pricing themselves out of the market. At almost $500 a pair, their value is becoming less apparent imo.

 


I think that's an exchange rate fluctuation--the dollar had a bit of a stumble against the Euro yesterday.

Yes, not increase here.

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That seems a little strange. I thought the recent price adjustment was premised on keeping Carmina prices at a certain level because of the favorable exchange rate. Essentially, untying the US pricing from the exchange rate because the US price was getting too low. At least I swear I remember that's what was said. Perhaps I'm wrong.  

 

Now we see that if the exchange rate goes back to favoring the manufacturer, no problem raising the US price (which again, I thought they said they would not do, but maybe I'm misremembering/confusing Carmina with a retailer).

post #16610 of 19297
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Originally Posted by dalevy View Post

That seems a little strange. I thought the recent price adjustment was premised on keeping Carmina prices at a certain level because of the favorable exchange rate. Essentially, untying the US pricing from the exchange rate because the US price was getting too low. At least I swear I remember that's what was said. Perhaps I'm wrong.  

Now we see that if the exchange rate goes back to favoring the manufacturer, no problem raising the US price (which again, I thought they said they would not do, but maybe I'm misremembering/confusing Carmina with a retailer).
I think you're correct. They set a standardized price for US consumers to avoid the fluctuations of the Euro and to get more US retailers to carry their shoes because they won't have to worry about EUR pricing advantage. If they're adjusting the prices again then they'll way into "fuck off" territory.
post #16611 of 19297
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I think you're correct. They set a standardized price for US consumers to avoid the fluctuations of the Euro and to get more US retailers to carry their shoes because they won't have to worry about EUR pricing advantage. If they're adjusting the prices again then they'll way into "fuck off" territory.


In my (completely unqualified) opinion, it seems like with the production delays they have had for MTO/GMTO combined with longer lead time on stock items, they may feel like demand at the $350-$400 range was just more than they could service.  Economically, they might feel it makes more sense to raise US prices and better optimize their production capacity.  Expansion can be difficult from a QC perspective.

 

Again, this is a complete shot in the dark, as I have no inside knowledge of their operation.  But as a businessperson looking from the outside in, I think that explanation makes a lot of sense.  Though it is a depressing one for US shoe lovers.

post #16612 of 19297

While the (at present) $20ish price increase is not intolerable, I will say I find the idea quite distasteful that they'd lock in prices to prevent EUR/USD fluctuations from negatively impacting them, while allowing those same fluctuations to positively benefit them, whilst negatively impacting the customer.

 

While I don't believe there's anything technically wrong with that practice, it is one that would make me feel like a bit of a sucker.

post #16613 of 19297

The recent strengthening of the Euro vs the Dollar is not as significant as the initial weakening of the Euro/Dollar.  The exchange rate is not far from where it was when they made the initial adjustment.  This suggests to me that any increase that may have occurred was not the result of currency fluctuations.

 

 

Here is a 2 year chart


Here is a 1 year

post #16614 of 19297

Last year around this time, I bought a pair of Carmia's direct from them for $305 shipped. It cost me another $18 in customs, so call it $325. I understand their reasoning for the price increase largely, but $150 increase with no added value moves Carmina from the must buy to the might, but unlikely list.

 

At this price, there is little compelling argument to choose Carmina over Bonafe, or Vass. Crocket and Alfred Sargent arent far beyond that either.

post #16615 of 19297
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At this price, there is little compelling argument to choose Carmina over Bonafe, or Vass. Crocket and Alfred Sargent arent far beyond that either.

 

Two months ago I bought a pair of EB boots from Skoak for $550 shipped incl customs. Carmina boots on the site cost $575. The choice was absolutely a no brainer.

post #16616 of 19297

It kind of annoys me that people compare Carmina's pricing to Vass. Sure, Vass sells for ~$550 or so, but not through any retailer, only from their storefront. Most of the people buying shoes have never visited Vass, so they're forced to go through retailers which sell for $700+. Not a fair comparison in my opinion. 

post #16617 of 19297
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It kind of annoys me that people compare Carmina's pricing to Vass. Sure, Vass sells for ~$550 or so, but not through any retailer, only from their storefront. Most of the people buying shoes have never visited Vass, so they're forced to go through retailers which sell for $700+. Not a fair comparison in my opinion. 

 

A year ago Carminas could be had for $325. I think the comparison is very fair.

post #16618 of 19297
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Originally Posted by rbhan12 View Post
 

It kind of annoys me that people compare Carmina's pricing to Vass. Sure, Vass sells for ~$550 or so, but not through any retailer, only from their storefront. Most of the people buying shoes have never visited Vass, so they're forced to go through retailers which sell for $700+. Not a fair comparison in my opinion. 

This is true. However, I would point out that if Carmina upping their prices $150 isnt a big deal, then whats the big deal with adding another $200 on top of Carmina?

 

I get that is actually IS a big deal, but thats kind of my point. A 50% increase in price with no added value brings Carmina into an area where there is a lot of competition for dollars and the people who remember paying $325 have a hard time swallowing $500 price tags. I'm not saying they arent worth it and I'm not saying I wont purchase again in the future, but there are a lot of alternatives near enough to that price range and an extra $1-200 for a shoe I expect to last me 10-20 years isnt much.

post #16619 of 19297
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Originally Posted by patliean1 View Post
 

 

A year ago Carminas could be had for $325. I think the comparison is very fair.

I was primarily addressing the comparison between Carmina and Vass on the basis of price being somewhat close. Not sure how their previous pricing contradicts my point. 

post #16620 of 19297
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Originally Posted by ericgereghty View Post
 

While the (at present) $20ish price increase is not intolerable, I will say I find the idea quite distasteful that they'd lock in prices to prevent EUR/USD fluctuations from negatively impacting them, while allowing those same fluctuations to positively benefit them, whilst negatively impacting the customer.

 

While I don't believe there's anything technically wrong with that practice, it is one that would make me feel like a bit of a sucker.


Exactly this. If they allow the price to rise due to a favorable change in the exchange rate, then we should go back to how it was.  And if it's a price increase that does not have anything to do with a favorable change in the exchange rate, then I don't understand why retailers' prices have not changed.

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