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post #166 of 270
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Originally Posted by JMRouse View Post
This article indicates that we may have waterboarded more then three people.

No, we used EIT on more than three people but waterboarded only three.
post #167 of 270
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Originally Posted by montecristo#4 View Post
Yes, great article.

Even certain Democrats are facing reality:

Lanny "GWB's frat brother at Yale" Davis does not count when it comes to talking nice things about GWB.

Disclosure/SF connection: I've met Lanny at a lecture (no way he remembers me) and find him to be quite charming. His suit was well made, but too big for him - I would drop a size and a length. Also, it was black with thick bright gray pinstripes.
post #168 of 270
I like Lanny. The most intellectually honest propagandist in the business.
post #169 of 270
Liked what Bernie Goldberg had to say about the use of enhanced interrogation techniques.

"Is "Torture" Ever Justified?"

http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/is-to...ver-justified/

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If liberals want to make the case that waterboarding is immoral no matter how many innocent lives are saved - no matter if the target is a yellow school bus filled with third graders on their way to the museum - then Man Up and make the case, with no apologies.
Nonetheless, like my liberal friends, I'm against torture. Really! They're against it 100 percent of the time. I'm against it 99 percent of the time. I'm against it to punish jay-walkers and litterbugs and car thieves. In fact, I'm against it to punish anybody for any crime, no matter how heinous, if the crime has already has been committed. But if waterboarding, or some other enhanced interrogation technique, could save innocent American lives, I'm all for it. For me, that's the moral position.
post #170 of 270
ROFL to those who still think waterboarding is effective. Not to say those guys didn't deserve the treatment (whole different topic) but it's a fact that it is ineffective. There is no argument here.
post #171 of 270
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Originally Posted by Fraiche View Post
ROFL to those who still think waterboarding is effective.

Not to say those guys didn't deserve the treatment (whole different topic) but it's a fact that it is ineffective.

There is no argument here.

post #172 of 270
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Originally Posted by Fraiche View Post
ROFL to those who still think waterboarding is effective.

Not to say those guys didn't deserve the treatment (whole different topic) but it's a fact that it is ineffective.

There is no argument here.

how is is a fact? it is a political statement that it is ineffective. that is a differnt story
post #173 of 270
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
how is is a fact? it is a political statement that it is ineffective. that is a differnt story
From an information extraction perspective, it is a fact that waterboarding did not reveal the identity of Osama Bin Laden's courier, which eventually lead to his capture. Perhaps some other EIT was more effective (whatever was used on Hassan Ghul).
post #174 of 270
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Originally Posted by Fraiche View Post
From an information extraction perspective, it is a fact that waterboarding did not reveal the identity of Osama Bin Laden's courier, which eventually lead to his capture.

Perhaps some other EIT was more effective (whatever was used on Hassan Ghul).

You are funny.
post #175 of 270
Some times, it can be good to be old and senile. Some times.
post #176 of 270
I'm constantly amazed at the "facts" people here are in possession of...including facts the majority of Congress are not in possession of.
post #177 of 270
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
I'm constantly amazed at the "facts" people here are in possession of...including facts the majority of Congress are not in possession of.

Eh? What? My hearing is aid is out.
post #178 of 270
From my understanding, the identity of the courier did not come from waterboarding and came shortly after 9-11 well before waterboarding even started. And the location of bin Laden heated up well after waterboarding ended. All throughout the Bush admin and much of the Obama admin, we were still under the impression he was in a cave either in Afghanistan or Pakistan mountains. If it is true that he was at the compound for 5-7 last years as is being reported now, then I think we were sniffing up the wrong tree for quite a while. I'm sure waterboarding's effectiveness has mixed results just like old school methods probably has mixed results. But to say waterboarding was the impetus behind the raid is wrong completely. I'm in no way saying waterboarding didn't provide results that may have resulted in other successes in the past, I'm simply saying waterboarding probably wasn't the MAJOR source of info on the bin Laden raid. Just my two cents. I think I'm being rather rational about this.
post #179 of 270
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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post
feel the same today as i always have. I think waterboarding is great...would be my first choice until something a bit harsher comes along.

+1
post #180 of 270
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
I'm constantly amazed at the "facts" people here are in possession of...including facts the majority of Congress are not in possession of.

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