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post #61 of 88
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Originally Posted by Dr No View Post

But JL prestige does offer a far more refined range of lasts. The SC does look a bit more eastern european with higher walls and toe boxes. The best looking SC last is the classic, but still compared to JL 7000 it is a bit rough IMO.
What is most important? Hand-welted is nice but really have no function in reality. A recraft of JL replaces eveything incl inner sole and welt etc.

As far as I know John Lobb prestige are only available on the 7000 and 8000 last. I have to agreed the SC classic last is more elegant last than others they offer imo. SC do have a few quirky style but if you choose the right style they always look very elegant. Just take a look at medtech_expat's collection.

I am not a expert on shoes but I have own the JLP 7000 and 8000 last, the 7000 last just look bulbous compare to the SC classic last. The finish and construction on the SC is on another league. As for hand welting here what our resident shoe expert DWFII have to say.

http://www.styleforum.net/t/45403/some-pics-of-saint-crispins-shoes/90#post_4801863

I don't think SC shoes have a built in arch supports as such. It's just how they shaped the waist it hugs your arch giving you support. It took a few wears to get use to it but now they are the most comfortable shoes that I have.
post #62 of 88
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Originally Posted by Dr No View Post

But JL prestige does offer a far more refined range of lasts. The SC does look a bit more eastern european with higher walls and toe boxes. The best looking SC last is the classic, but still compared to JL 7000 it is a bit rough IMO.
What is most important? Hand-welted is nice but really have no function in reality. A recraft of JL replaces eveything incl inner sole and welt etc.

 

Not sure if they replace the insoles with a recraft?  Didn't AE CEO said after the upper trimming during the original manufacturing process, there might not be enough upper material to re-last and replace the insole?

 

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Originally Posted by tchoy View Post


As far as I know John Lobb prestige are only available on the 7000 and 8000 last. I have to agreed the SC classic last is more elegant last than others they offer imo. SC do have a few quirky style but if you choose the right style they always look very elegant. Just take a look at medtech_expat's collection.
I am not a expert on shoes but I have own the JLP 7000 and 8000 last, the 7000 last just look bulbous compare to the SC classic last. The finish and construction on the SC is on another league. As for hand welting here what our resident shoe expert DWFII have to say.
http://www.styleforum.net/t/45403/some-pics-of-saint-crispins-shoes/90#post_4801863
I don't think SC shoes have a built in arch supports as such. It's just how they shaped the waist it hugs your arch giving you support. It took a few wears to get use to it but now they are the most comfortable shoes that I have.

 

SC Classic last looks great, but I disagree that its "bulbous" compare to JLP 7000.  JL7000 is slightly narrower than EG82 which is narrower than Vass F. 

 

The downside of SC is its hand pegged (good luck finding cobblers for resole in US), and its quirky designs.  A lot of its models are distinctly mittle europa and only a few like 522/542 are region-neutral design.

post #63 of 88
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

This is a good question. I am curious about the differences in quality as well. As far as I know they are both excellent. I think it is important to also note that they are two distinctly different styled shoemakers. Vass comes across as more modern looking to me, and while St. Crispin shoes, imho have better finishing, have a more traditional Austrian shape to their lasts. I could be wrong on all accounts, but I am just speaking in terms of what I have personally seen.

Get thee to Leffot to see the 'modern' lasts live and in person. Not at all what I expected. Very angular and modern and suprisingly almost delicate in appearance. Definately not an Austrian shape or feel.

They have a pair of green hatch grain loafers for which I would gladly give YOUR left nut! happy.gif
post #64 of 88
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post


The downside of SC is its hand pegged (good luck finding cobblers for resole in US)

Just ask for a half re-sole. The waist area never needs resoling anyway because you don't walk on it.

I love St Crispins high walled toe boxes and IMO they're leagues above JL, but really there's no accounting for taste.
post #65 of 88
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

Just ask for a half re-sole. The waist area never needs resoling anyway because you don't walk on it.

This is bad advice.
post #66 of 88
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

This is bad advice.

Why is that?
post #67 of 88
A few reasons, which I will leave up to you to decide.
post #68 of 88
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post #69 of 88
Oh come on, give us the reasons you think so?
And the question still remains, if going on a full resole, where would you do that? The only reasonable thing would be to send them to SC. At what cost?
post #70 of 88
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Originally Posted by NORE View Post

A few reasons, which I will leave up to you to decide.

Lol
post #71 of 88
I suspect a full resole by SC will be high. The waist is wood pegged there is a lot of work involve changing it. I think hendrix suggestion of having the half-sole replace is a good one, the waist hardly ever gets worn out. I had a pair of John Lobb Chapel resole at the factory the cost was £150 plus postage which I thought was reasonable.
post #72 of 88
Last I talked to Philip in October 2012, a full resole is ~$200+ I believe. I think this also includes conditioning the leather uppers etc.
post #73 of 88
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Originally Posted by ezlau View Post

Last I talked to Philip in October 2012, a full resole is ~$200+ I believe. I think this also includes conditioning the leather uppers etc.

Thanks! That is cheaper then what John Lobb charges.
post #74 of 88
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Originally Posted by ezlau View Post

Last I talked to Philip in October 2012, a full resole is ~$200+ I believe. I think this also includes conditioning the leather uppers etc.

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Originally Posted by tchoy View Post

Thanks! That is cheaper then what John Lobb charges.
exactlyt. wear those SCs!
post #75 of 88
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Originally Posted by Dr No View Post

Anyone care to supply a birds-eye shot of the StC classic last vs the riva last? How do they differ in fit?
The chiselled last looks really off to me :-(

May be a late reply but possibly still helpful:

The SC Classic and Riva lasts look exactly the same from above. The only difference is a slight upslope and roundish chisel on the riva-last when seen from the side. I have written a little blog post on this.


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