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post #46 of 88
Those suede loafers look edible.
post #47 of 88
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Originally Posted by mth View Post
It's hard to tell with the photographs, but the Vass lasts tend to be a fair bit bulkier overall when compared to the St. Crispins.

yep, i would have said the opposite looking at the pictures.
post #48 of 88
anyone off the top of their head name some other suede loafers similar in style ? (semi boxed toe, welted, no tassel, etc)

post #49 of 88
Many thanks for the side-by-side shots! Can't believe how close the St. Crispins Classic Last and the Vass F Last are.
post #50 of 88
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Originally Posted by Trompe le Monde View Post
anyone off the top of their head name some other suede loafers similar in style ? (semi boxed toe, welted, no tassel, etc)


It's a pretty popular style -- I think there are probably a number of manufacturers which make something similar. I've seen another forum member's Enzo Bonafe shoes which are quite close.
post #51 of 88
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matter of taste, but my prefer Vass- shapely and stylish shoe here, all class.

The St C bulbous and 'old man'- high-walled and inflated toe-box


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Edited by Pliny - 10/13/11 at 2:07am
post #52 of 88
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Originally Posted by ShaneB View Post

Just been informed that a shoe from Saint Crispin would set me back about £860,

Conversely a shoe from Vass would set me back about £420,

I was surprised about how much the Saint Crispin shoes are; is there a noticeable difference in quality / construction? I'm guessing from all the praise that the difference is nominal (if at all existent)? I think I'll probably stick with Vass - what are others' opinions?

Reviving an old thread:

I've been quoted the following prices:

 

Dear [...],
 
as written below these are net prices (VAT not included)
Flush metal tips and sole monogram is included.
Model 523: € 1.100 net including shoe trees exworks.
Model 545: € 1.150 net including shoe trees exworks. But this pair I would recommend after having your fitting confirmed.
 
They are made in a workshop in Romania where labour is cheap.
They crease a lot (from pictures posted here)
They are grossly overpriced and not a good value for money, in my opinion.
post #53 of 88
From a RTW/MTO perspective, both SC and Vass make wonderful shoes that compare favourably to other top tier makers. The overpriced and poor value for the money discussion is pointless. If price is your only consideration it is hard to beat Vass, but only if the shoe fits. Have you tried either? Arguing that shoes made by Romanian labour should be cheaper is not germane. The price is what SC charges. You decide if you like a particular shoe based on how the lasts, styles, leather choices and finishing resonate with you. But a beautiful shoe that does not fit is useless to you. I have both Vass and SC. If I compare the Vass U last and the SC classic last, SC is the better shoe for me because it fits me better. Period. My U lasts will all be put up for sale but not my SC. Now, with the Vass F last and SC classic, both fit me well so ultimately it comes down to my emotional preferences as to what I want and what I choose to afford. Apples and oranges IMHO. Creasing problems? Not in my experience. So my advice, revisit you thoughts with respect to pricing and value once you establish a sense of which maker's shoe fits you best. Until then, this is just a philosophical argument.
post #54 of 88

@gsugsu,

you are probably right, but I am not sold on the price.

Onece I'll have a chance I will try them on, and then decide.

post #55 of 88
St. Crispin's fit is the best I have experienced for my foot. But yes... $1600 at retailers is a bit bizarre.
post #56 of 88
Anyone care to supply a birds-eye shot of the StC classic last vs the riva last? How do they differ in fit?
The chiselled last looks really off to me :-(
post #57 of 88
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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo View Post

St. Crispin's fit is the best I have experienced for my foot. But yes... $1600 at retailers is a bit bizarre.


they charge those prices because they can. 

 

fit is all relative and very personal. 

 

those SC trees are almost as an artwork as the Hervé Brunelle trees and a leagues above Vass trees in terms of form.  english rtw/bespoke trees are several leagues below...

post #58 of 88
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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo View Post

St. Crispin's fit is the best I have experienced for my foot. But yes... $1600 at retailers is a bit bizarre.

I am the same Saint Crispins shoes fits me the best and their customise program is very flexible. Other high end shoes like John Lobb prestige, EG top draw and G&G Deco are around the same price if not more, for me I'll take the Saint Crispins anytime over the others.
post #59 of 88
But JL prestige does offer a far more refined range of lasts. The SC does look a bit more eastern european with higher walls and toe boxes. The best looking SC last is the classic, but still compared to JL 7000 it is a bit rough IMO.
What is most important? Hand-welted is nice but really have no function in reality. A recraft of JL replaces eveything incl inner sole and welt etc.
post #60 of 88
Another thing worrying me with SC is the built-in arch support. Why do they do that? If you have normal feet without problems, arch support is the last thing you want.
Arch support is only for those who need it.
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