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post #3046 of 3231
How ancient is this Church's label and marking? They're made in Italy loafers.

post #3047 of 3231
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Originally Posted by Jompso View Post
 
 

Actually the more I look at that original tag the more I conclude that this is quite possibly an Isaia production tag difference type of situation. Because the two photos you provided do seem to be Partenopea, but with that said, the Photo I provided is without question a Partenopea tag, cuz I took the photo myself of my personal Partenopea suit, and like the original tag in question, mine too is similar to the examples you provided, however isn't identical either. You'll notice mine has  wide border on the left with labeling and "Napoli" etc...

 

 

And just to further my points, the differences between the tags I mentioned, mine and yours, are for a reason, that reason being quality. If you look closley, you'll notice an absence of a size on my tag, just a random name and the numbers 256, this is because this suit is MTM, thus higher grade, thus different tag, which proves the fact that their tags vary depending on grade of construction.

actually,i think yours are the same as my second tag. and if you enlarge my pic,you can see the residue of "CCIAA NAPOLI 495376" too which is the address of partenopea.

 

so i still can't believe that the first tag is from SP,because of the big difference of ours.

 

btw, i have a SP peacoat bought some years ago, with the similar tag as yours. and i got two SP coats for sale this year,both with the former tag i posted.

so i always think SP changes their tag from the latter to the former. but i'm not 100% sure.     

post #3048 of 3231
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Originally Posted by coloRLOw View Post
 

actually,i think yours are the same as my second tag. and if you enlarge my pic,you can see the residue of "CCIAA NAPOLI 495376" too which is the address of partenopea.

 

so i still can't believe that the first tag is from SP,because of the big difference of ours.

 

btw, i have a SP peacoat bought some years ago, with the similar tag as yours. and i got two SP coats for sale this year,both with the former tag i posted.

so i always think SP changes their tag from the latter to the former. but i'm not 100% sure.     

Well first off, yea it seems that you are in fact correct, your tag just happened to get that side chopped off, while mine didn't suffer the same fate. I breifly looked up the brand that the jacket is, it's not a shop, however its a small Italian, medium tier suiting company, the type of company that can't afford the finest work from one of the finest suit manufacturers in Italy. Now I take that fact into consideration, slightly factor in the the garment registraton and licesning date at the bottom, the same exact all three tags do possess, I do know that this is found on other manufacturers tags as well, however not many, and then I try and think of any other examples of 2 different manufacturers tags that were constructed in such a similiar manner as these but from a different company, and I'm blank. I truly cannot think of a single one. I mean Canali and Corneliani actually, those are quite similiar however when looked at and ccmpared, possess their obvious differences, whereas here it's the same exact design just a different layout. Just as the tag from a Gianluca Napoli SC is the same exact desing of that from an Isaia Napoli coat are the same exact design, however different layouts.

 

Their distinct similiarities, however obvious difference as well in it's sizing, the fact it is attached in the same exact manner using teh same type of fabric that Mainline Partenopea uses, uses the same geometric type organization method separating the tag categories, uses the same type face and the same colored ink, and attached to a jacket that retails for 1/8 of what a Partenopea jacket would, I honestly think I'm right here. The tag is just way different strictly due to the fact that that is their manufacturer tag for their bottom tier product line. Obviously I have nothing to proove my theory, except what I have laid out here. But in my eyes, that makes the most sense by far, without question, especially when you know that Partenopea heavily licenses their services, and just like all companies that do such, they also provide the level of quality that you choose to pay for. I think they are sure to identify this level of quality with a specific tag, being sure to mirror there mainline yet differentiate itself also to be sure an dknow that it may be SP, but it sure as shit ain't mainline SP. I mean remember the original Isiah tags that were on the first Brooks Bros suits they did? They were merely a rectangul no wider than a half inch and no longer then a full inch, however, fabric and typeface matched......I mean obviously I am open to whatever and there's no way I'm saying that I just figured thisi shit out, I merely stating that from where I stand, this is what makes sense to me.

post #3049 of 3231
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Originally Posted by Jompso View Post

 

Now I take that fact into consideration, slightly factor in the the garment registraton and licesning date at the bottom, the same exact all three tags do possess, I do know that this is found on other manufacturers tags as well, however not many

 

I mean remember the original Isiah tags that were on the first Brooks Bros suits they did? They were merely a rectangul no wider than a half inch and no longer then a full inch, however, fabric and typeface matched......

 

Their distinct similiarities, however obvious difference as well in it's sizing, the fact it is attached in the same exact manner using teh same type of fabric that Mainline Partenopea uses, uses the same geometric type organization method separating the tag categories, uses the same type face and the same colored ink, and attached to a jacket that retails for 1/8 of what a Partenopea jacket would, I honestly think I'm right here. The tag is just way different strictly due to the fact that that is their manufacturer tag for their bottom tier product line. Obviously I have nothing to proove my theory, except what I have laid out here. But in my eyes, that makes the most sense by far, without question, especially when you know that Partenopea heavily licenses their services, and just like all companies that do such, they also provide the level of quality that you choose to pay for. I think they are sure to identify this level of quality with a specific tag, being sure to mirror there mainline yet differentiate itself also to be sure an dknow that it may be SP, but it sure as shit ain't mainline SP. 

damn,you said so much, my English is so poor so i had to read them by google translator,haha

 

just my two cents,actually many brands' tag has the garment registraton and licesning date, eg d'avenza, Scuderi, ruffo, zanella, old caruso, old satorio. so i advise it's better that don't consider this factor.

 

i have no experience with BB suits.but some brands are made by Michelangelo, their tags are the same (or similar?) as isaia.

 

maybe you're right that made by SP at a lower standard.

i just think i can't associate the tag to SP first impression. as well that i don't know how people know the tag is from d'avenza because i can't see it on d'avenza own garments(i don't say they are wrong,of course).

post #3050 of 3231
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Originally Posted by coloRLOw View Post
 

damn,you said so much, my English is so poor so i had to read them by google translator,haha

 

just my two cents,actually many brands' tag has the garment registraton and licesning date, eg d'avenza, Scuderi, ruffo, zanella, old caruso, old satorio. so i advise it's better that don't consider this factor.

 

i have no experience with BB suits.but some brands are made by Michelangelo, their tags are the same (or similar?) as isaia.

 

maybe you're right that made by SP at a lower standard.

i just think i can't associate the tag to SP first impression. as well that i don't know how people know the tag is from d'avenza because i can't see it on d'avenza own garments(i don't say they are wrong,of course).

My apologies, I didn't realize English wasn't your first language, I have a tendency to be a bit long winded when explaining myself, however I will be much more concise from here on out, again sorry.

 

Yes, I know that wording is shared on multiple others, I mentioned that before too, I was aware, I simply just stated cuz they do both have it nonetheless, however yes it's widely seen and printed.

 

Here is the Isaia tag that was in Brooks Brothers Italy suits for about 5 years or so


Roughly 2000-2005 or so. This is all I'm trying to say essentially, that a situation like this is a possibility, that is all. Again I in no way claim that I have figured it out, I just see so much similiarity and the rest is p[ure speculationo however when all added together, it paints a picture that isn't by any means obvious, however does provide a very possible option to me, However that is just how I feel.

 

Also, do not worry about not knowing to place that D'Avenza tag, it's not current, it's an older tag, probably a decade or so, however with that said, while the rest of their current stuff is the tag, Newer Bijan actually uses that tag you show above still.

 

I have a silk suit that is quite recent to prove this.That's a photo of my Bijan Linen and I am obviously on a loosing streak rightnow, definitely not right about that tag, however I got a couple for your that you may have never seen before.I have a camel hair blazer with that label, that is weirdly also sized a 60R coincedentilly, but this jacket is at least a decade old probably closer to 15 years. And actually, out of everyone woyld say that D'Avenza has actually made by far the biggest changes to their tags over the years. 

 

 

Like look at this D'Avenza tag, early 90's. Soooo different.

And here's mine with the same exact one, I know it's D'Avenza for multiple reasons and its from a blazer from an old boutique that just used D'avenza anyway...

 

And just cuz you seemingly are quite well versed, I thought I'd shoot this and pose a challenge and see if you could get it or not, however no immediately remembering you are not American, this maybe super easy for you actually, it's just never ever found here.

 

 

Lastly, This one may not be technically appropriate for this thread, however here's the label of my latest (and one of my favorites for sure) suit pick ups...

 

 

Oh actually one more thing that I was thinking that you may wish to have a link to. Something I actually made and put on my blog, however thinking more about it, the odds are that you would have been able to easily to do the same exact thing as I did, maybe even better perhaps, dunno, but I'll give you a link, maybe it may answer an answer about something specific for your or something, or maybe it'll just be a bunch of shit you knew before I owned my first piece Kiton. (first true suiting, previously was all DH Hedi suits, which were actually quite nice, just super tredy)

 

Here's the link, just click on the first page and itll pop up so you can easily scroll through it, again I'm just giving this to be frinedly, again though I kinda thsi weird feeling you could be able to make one that would blow my shit out of the water maybe, well see........the main page of the site actually has a pic of a couple Tom Fords I actually came up on a couple months back, that were without a doubt the finest suits I have ever handled in my life, hands down, no question, THE BEST.

 

Sorry if that was too much dialogue to understand.

post #3051 of 3231

ha,i have no idea about the tag you ask, 'Braun Baden-Baden' seems be in germany

 

and many thanks for your sharing and the link:cheers:

post #3052 of 3231

Its for Regent, the suting company based in West Germany. Only the second piece I;ve ever picked up from them but they have both bee absolutely extremely high end quality pieces, tons of of hand work, seemingly custom made type of attention to detail with tailoring quality. I was curious if they were sorta Europes version of Americas Oxxford. Being of such insanely hgih quality its almost crazy, however have a presence almost non existent, outsie of the US seemingly solely because they are American and not Italian or French.....I don't now where your from but I was curious if Reegent, being from west Germany, suffered the same sort of of curse, the fact that you dont't recgonzie the tag, even thought it is one that is about 10-15 year sold, makes me think that they may be in the same exact siuations for the same exact reasons.

post #3053 of 3231

i'm in China,and honestly not in the game for a long time,so my experience is almost limited to some recent menwear.

really appreciate that you share some many things:)

post #3054 of 3231

Anyone got any ideas here?

 

post #3055 of 3231
Hi folks. The label on these linen pants has been clipped, so I have no real idea what this is. The writing on the reverse suggests they were maybe MTO? Thank


post #3056 of 3231
I've seen one other person asking about Steed Shoes on this forum, but no good answers, so I'm going to try with a bit more info. I got these shoes from 1oftheCoolKids, who said he thought he recognized the markings, but couldn't place the maker. Anyone have a clue?



post #3057 of 3231
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Originally Posted by Tyrone MacStiophain View Post

I've seen one other person asking about Steed Shoes on this forum, but no good answers, so I'm going to try with a bit more info. I got these shoes from 1oftheCoolKids, who said he thought he recognized the markings, but couldn't place the maker. Anyone have a clue?




Looks like Cheaney.
post #3058 of 3231
Thanks, amigo. I guess that MADE IN ENGLAND script and the "since 1873" is consistent with other Cheaney labels out there, so that sounds right to me.
post #3059 of 3231
Hey guys, anybody recognize this?

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