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post #2836 of 3233
$3000 a yard
Edited by Crazycarl87 - 11/18/15 at 8:54pm
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If you're talking about "value" in terms of their value on the secondary market, dadjeans is correct. S-numbers are effective marketing tools but are often misrepresented by manufacturers and misinterpreted by consumers. See here for another link. Enough 'evidence' and 'r&d' for you?

 

The makers of your coats will not be recognized by the vast majority of buyers, and the cloth is of unknown provenance. $3500 a square foot--where are you getting that number from? Ask yourself whether you'd pay any substantial amount for a coat by a maker that you yourself don't really know anything about and made from an obscure cloth with unknown Vicuna content. 

 

If you are keeping the coats for yourself, then enjoy them for what they are. 

post #2838 of 3233
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and the Vicuna comes before the Mink Cashmere

This means nothing. We aren't talking about US labeling laws, where they have to be listed in order of content percentage. This is just a Chinese label with as many expensive sounding English keywords as they could cram on there. It very likely contains none of those, sorry. As breakaway01 said, if you like the coat, wear it and enjoy it, but I wouldn't have any illusions about it actually containing Vicuna. If there's a content tag inside one of the interior pockets, please post a pic of that too as that would be a clue as to what it's actually made of.
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(No longer relevant to discussion)
Edited by Crazycarl87 - 11/18/15 at 8:53pm
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This "r&d" did nothing more than I did just 3 days earlier, if I were looking for an excuse to call this fake I wouldn't need one, I would google "why my Vicuna blazer isn't real" and so it would be. Unfortunately the Tailor may not be well known, but they have other garnmets on the market, so they do exist and have no history of improperly labeling or misrepresenting their clothing
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Great, another "it's not what it says it is" although it feels like exactly what is proclaimed... Your "cheap Chinese" trick would work say it was 1997.. This is 1950 WWII era and we all know the Chinese had an upper hand in fine clothing tailoring... They came here and took over the dry cleaning industry....

Sorry you're not getting the affirmation you thought you were going to get. Fact is, if you throw that up on eBay, you're probably not going to get a lot for it. You may get lucky and make bank. If you do, come back here and make everyone eat crow. 

post #2842 of 3233
Here you are... Oh look Hongkong Taylor's... Current sentiment so it seems "all Chinese products are cheap" http://hongkongtailor.com/blogs/style-blog/9313281-the-vicuna
Edited by Crazycarl87 - 11/18/15 at 9:24pm
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OK so you have trouble with reading comprehension. Let me help you out. The article you linked states $3k/yard for 100% Vicuna (not yours) from Loro Piana (also not yours). Look, if you're convinced your jacket is worth a lot, don't let us stop you from believing what you want to believe, and please stop wasting our time. 

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There is no evidence mine is not 100% Vicuna mixed with 100% Mink... You currently are not wasting my time, yet yours it seems. I will wait for an educated opinion, I graduated from UCSB, feel free to inform me on your credentials. I also spend a decent amount of time on the market, so realize the value of "things" and opinions....
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There is no evidence mine is not 100% Vicuna mixed with 100% Mink... You currently are not wasting my time, yet yours it seems. I will wait for an educated opinion, I graduated from UCSB, feel free to inform me on your credentials. I also spend a decent amount of time on the market, so realize the value of "things" and opinions....

If it were 100% vicuña, it would say "100%". It wouldn't say mink or chinchilla. Also, why do you think it's WW2 era? Those fishmouth lapels and labels scream 1990s to me. Your jacket is worth $40-50 tops.

Lastly, if it were 100% vicuña and 100% chinchilla, it would be 200% and you would have 2 jackets
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There is no evidence mine is not 100% Vicuna mixed with 100% Mink... You currently are not wasting my time, yet yours it seems. I will wait for an educated opinion, I graduated from UCSB, feel free to inform me on your credentials. I also spend a decent amount of time on the market, so realize the value of "things" and opinions....

You're being a dick when you really don't need to. You came to this thread for the opinion of the people who post here regularly and have proven that they know their stuff. You didn't hear what you were expecting, so you are getting personal. There's no need for that. All these people are saying is that due to the way your item is labeled, it's not likely to sell well. And there is proof it's not 100% Vicuna and Mink. It's got four different fabric types from 4 different animals on it. That's not 100% anything. At best it's 25% each, and frankly, that's just not likely. We've all seen labels like this in the past. If it has any vicuna in it (and frankly, there's a good chance it doesn't based on experience) it's likely pretty small, with Cashmere making up the large part of the garment, and mink and chinch making up relatively small parts as well. You're welcome to sell your jacket, and I hope it does great for you, but understand that the educated opinion of the people who post here is that your garment likely doesn't contain much vicuna if any. We all know what vicuna is. A few people have found some 100% vicuna items complete with fabric content tags listed with percentages and makeups to prove it. Without that content tag, your claim is likely to be looked at as dubious on the secondary market, however, there's always the chance that someone who isn't educated about fabrics will see vicuna and decide it's worth it. Good luck.

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I graduated from UCSB, feel free to inform me on your credentials. 

Good for you! UCSB is a decent school.

Luckily for you, I don't feel the need to whip out my dick just because a stranger on the Internet asks me to. 

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1990's with a telephone number as printed... I haven't been a dick, I've been approaching this in a professional manner and countering all claims as invalid. I'm new to this board and find the post by Koala T to be the most informative, educated and relavent based on grammar and clear explanation. I was not claiming that the coat is made 100% out of Vicuna but that the fabric used is. Furthermore, the fact that there are many Armani, Roos Bro's and other fine suits from this collection, I am under the impression that this too is a fine suit, in fact upon bringing it to a men's fine tailor store here in the city I was given a quick brief estamit of 3k without any further information, the main goal is to find out who George Taylor is. Clearly a baller
Edited by Crazycarl87 - 11/18/15 at 9:26pm
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1990's with a telephone number as printed... I haven't been a dick, I've been approaching this in a professional manner and countering all claims as invalid. I'm new to this board and find the post by Koala T to be the most informative and relavent. I was not claiming that the coat is made 100% out of Vicuna but that the fabric used is. Furthermore, the fact that there are many Armani, Roos Bro's and other fine suits from this collection, I am under the impression that this too is a fine suite, in fact upon bringing it to a men's fine Taylor store here in the city I was given a quick brief estamit of 3k without any further information.

Here's some "r&d" for you: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-2K-Lalwanis-Bespoke-Super-130s-Cashmere-Vicuna-Blazer-Jacket-Coat-42S-/291567051073?hash=item43e2c02141:g:bdIAAOSwQPlV-z7l

 

You can continue to dispute everyone here if you want. My advice: go sell that orphan for $3K and laugh at this thread all the way to the bank.

post #2850 of 3233
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Originally Posted by Crazycarl87 View Post

1990's with a telephone number as printed... I haven't been a dick, I've been approaching this in a professional manner and countering all claims as invalid. I'm new to this board and find the post by Koala T to be the most informative, educated and relavent based on grammar and clear explanation. I was not claiming that the coat is made 100% out of Vicuna but that the fabric used is. Furthermore, the fact that there are many Armani, Roos Bro's and other fine suits from this collection, I am under the impression that this too is a fine suite, in fact upon bringing it to a men's fine Taylor store here in the city I was given a quick brief estamit of 3k without any further information, the main goal is to find out who George Taylor is circa 1950's. Clearly a baller

This makes no sense whatsoever. If the fabric is 100% vicuna, then the coat would be 100% vicuna. That is what fabric content refers to. 

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