or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › Men's Style › Classic Menswear › HOF: Labels, heels and nail patterns - Secrets to ID the maker
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

HOF: Labels, heels and nail patterns - Secrets to ID the maker - Page 102

post #1516 of 2458
That's a gorgeous button Androfan. Looking at the inscription, I think you're right that it is in Latin. I think I can make out the first word as "Sigilla" and the second might be "corona" - so perhaps it starts with something like "Sign of the crown".

I checked the British orders of chivalry, and none of their mottoes are close to that. I did notice one thing though. The central figure in the design looks like a lady standing in a shield emblazoned with three lions; that's almost certainly Britannica. But the figure on the left holds a shield emblazoned with fleur-de-lys: France. I can't make out the shield on the right. This leads me to believe that it's the emblem of some organisation that spanned England, France and one other country. Given England vs France during the Middle Ages, i suspect such an organisation would be more recent in origin.

Quality looks very fine and would probably be very legible to an expert equipped with a loupe. I'd love to know what you find out.
post #1517 of 2458
This looks like it could be the emblem of a Marianist organization, representing the crowning of Mary as "Queen of Heaven". Marianist are Roman catholics with a special devotion to the Blessed Virgin. The identity of the senator that owned the jacket might be helpful. I can think of at least one who might qualify as a Marianist.
post #1518 of 2458
Quote:
Originally Posted by California Dreamer View Post

That's a gorgeous button Androfan. Looking at the inscription, I think you're right that it is in Latin. I think I can make out the first word as "Sigilla" and the second might be "corona" - so perhaps it starts with something like "Sign of the crown".

I checked the British orders of chivalry, and none of their mottoes are close to that. I did notice one thing though. The central figure in the design looks like a lady standing in a shield emblazoned with three lions; that's almost certainly Britannica. But the figure on the left holds a shield emblazoned with fleur-de-lys: France. I can't make out the shield on the right. This leads me to believe that it's the emblem of some organisation that spanned England, France and one other country. Given England vs France during the Middle Ages, i suspect such an organisation would be more recent in origin.

Quality looks very fine and would probably be very legible to an expert equipped with a loupe. I'd love to know what you find out.

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by tonylumpkin View Post

This looks like it could be the emblem of a Marianist organization, representing the crowning of Mary as "Queen of Heaven". Marianist are Roman catholics with a special devotion to the Blessed Virgin. The identity of the senator that owned the jacket might be helpful. I can think of at least one who might qualify as a Marianist.

 

 

This is great stuff guys, thanks a lot!  I don't have the jacket in my physical proximity at the moment, but when I do I'm going to try to get a better shot of the words and of the button scene overall.  Really fascinating. 

post #1519 of 2458
Trousers by Faconnable Made in Portugal. This is Zegna right?

post #1520 of 2458


Is this real? I don't believe I've ever seen this label before. Stitching, especially in top right, is fishy to me too.
post #1521 of 2458
Quote:
Originally Posted by VLSI View Post



Is this real? I don't believe I've ever seen this label before. Stitching, especially in top right, is fishy to me too.

The label is legit, but that stitching is kind of a hack job.

post #1522 of 2458
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoofit View Post

Trousers by Faconnable Made in Portugal. This is Zegna right?


I wouldn't say so - Zegna trousers usually carry the exact same label as the jackets.
post #1523 of 2458
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndroFan View Post

...

Think you'll find it's the seal of Eton College - not only does it have the coat of arms of Eton (beneath Mary), it also has the Latin

SIGILLU COMMUNE PREPOSITI COLLEGII REGULUS BEATE MARIE DE ETON (The Royal College of St. Mary).

Mary is surrounded by angels holding the arms of Henry VI.

No doubt your ex-Senator must have been an old Etonian. Further to that, the seal is not in popular usage today so I would suggest that the buttons certainly are a lot closer to that 1820 date than 1975.
Edited by Ich_Dien - 10/10/13 at 1:50am
post #1524 of 2458
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ich_Dien View Post

I wouldn't say so - Zegna trousers usually carry the exact same label as the jackets.

Could be incotex; I think they have some factories in Portugal.
post #1525 of 2458
Not entirely convinced of that, either.
post #1526 of 2458
Quote:
Originally Posted by othertravel View Post


Could be incotex; I think they have some factories in Portugal.

I have a NWT incotex and the Made in Portugal looks very similar if that helps.

post #1527 of 2458
Quote:
Originally Posted by txwoodworker View Post
 

I have a NWT incotex and the Made in Portugal looks very similar if that helps.

 

I would agree with the the Incotex call; the made in Portugal tag is identical. Incotex also makes for Zenga. 

post #1528 of 2458
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ich_Dien View Post


Think you'll find it's the seal of Eton College - not only does it have the coat of arms of Eton (beneath Mary), it also has the Latin

SIGILLU COMMUNE PREPOSITI COLLEGII REGULUS BEATE MARIE DE ETON (The Royal College of St. Mary).

Mary is surrounded by angels holding the arms of Henry VI.

No doubt your ex-Senator must have been an old Etonian. Further to that, the seal is not in popular usage today so I would suggest that the buttons certainly are a lot closer to that 1820 date than 1975.

 

That is awesome - thank you so much for the additional information!  What a fascinating piece.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by JackFlash View Post
 

 

I would agree with the the Incotex call; the made in Portugal tag is identical. Incotex also makes for Zenga. 

 

 

Thirded on Incotex.  Have the same "Made in Portugal tag", that script is on all their stuff, and I also have other Faconnable by Incotex pants that are the same.

post #1529 of 2458
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndroFan View Post

That is awesome - thank you so much for the additional information!  What a fascinating piece.



Thirded on Incotex.  Have the same "Made in Portugal tag", that script is on all their stuff, and I also have other Faconnable by Incotex pants that are the same.

I have to say Faconnable is producing some quality products. The suits and SCs are are now made by Caruso (not Cantarelli), made in Italy ties (by Breuer?) and Made in Italy shoes as well as some by AE. A great brand if you can find it on discount.
post #1530 of 2458
Quote:
Originally Posted by JackFlash View Post

I would agree with the the Incotex call; the made in Portugal tag is identical. Incotex also makes for Zenga. 

Thanks for all the help.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Classic Menswear
Styleforum › Forums › Men's Style › Classic Menswear › HOF: Labels, heels and nail patterns - Secrets to ID the maker