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post #1186 of 1360
3/11/13 at 5:09am
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Originally Posted by LeSacre View Post

 

Thanks for your help.  "Odd" is going to be RARE on eBay cool.gif

I see that tag quite often in my BB stuff...not sure who makes it though.

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post #1187 of 1360
3/11/13 at 5:28am
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Originally Posted by tonylumpkin View Post

Vintage Peals for BB. I'm thinking Green, but I don't think I've seen the nail pattern before. All leather heels with double row of rectangular head nails. Anyone know?

I suppose it might have helped to include the link.facepalm.gif

http://www.ebay.com/itm/251241765576?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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post #1188 of 1360
3/11/13 at 5:52am
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yup.. indeed made by Caruso

Caruso run quite a few different labels tbh - this is definitely one of them.
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post #1189 of 1360
3/12/13 at 10:32am
Hello, Gents. Need help with a couple of labels and heels.

Faconnable made in Italy flannel waistcoat
TAG PIC: Is this Cantarelli?
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These trou, which seem close to Incotex quality. Anyone recognize the tag? Cantarelli again (older)?
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PRL strap loafers. Almost all internal info is worn off, and doesn't say where made. Here are the heels.
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post #1190 of 1360
3/12/13 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by DpprDr View Post

Maker anyone (Polo)? Looks similar to my Marlow's so I assume C&J but would like second opinion.
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Crockett & Jones.
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post #1191 of 1360
3/12/13 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by GMMcL View Post

PRL strap loafers. Almost all internal info is worn off, and doesn't say where made. Here are the heels.
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Don't think these are original heels.
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post #1192 of 1360
3/12/13 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by onix View Post

Don't think these are original heels.

Hmm. The soles still have "Polo" (and only Polo) on them, and haven't been replaced. Obviously doesn't rule out a re-heeling. But it's the only clue I have to go on, unfortunately.
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post #1193 of 1360
3/13/13 at 5:46pm
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Originally Posted by tonylumpkin View Post

Vintage Peals for BB. I'm thinking Green, but I don't think I've seen the nail pattern before. All leather heels with double row of rectangular head nails. Anyone know?

The shoes arrived, so I've got some better pictures of the heels and interiors. Anyone have any ideas on maker and age?


Interior pics (Click to show)


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post #1194 of 1360
3/13/13 at 10:41pm
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Originally Posted by tonylumpkin View Post

The shoes arrived, so I've got some better pictures of the heels and interiors. Anyone have any ideas on maker and age?
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Interior pics (Click to show)



Is this a trick question? Didn't Peal make its own shoes before being bought by Alden?

Not a shoe guy, but that was what I thought.
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post #1195 of 1360
3/14/13 at 12:10am
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Is this a trick question? Didn't Peal make its own shoes before being bought by Alden?

Not a shoe guy, but that was what I thought.


Lol, I was thinking the same thing. It says Pearl & Co. right there...Am I missing something? puzzled.gif

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post #1196 of 1360
3/14/13 at 4:30am
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Originally Posted by barrelntrigger View Post

Lol, I was thinking the same thing. It says Pearl & Co. right there...Am I missing something? puzzled.gif

Peal has never been owned by Alden. When Peal and Co. went out of business in the '60s, the name was purchased by Brooks Brothers. BB has marketed a line of Peal shoes since then ( there is also thought that they were selling Peal shoes back as far as the '30s), made for them by EG, C&J, Sargent and others. These appear to be EG. I'm just not familiar with that nail pattern and I'm looking for others who might be.
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post #1197 of 1360
3/14/13 at 9:56am
Looks like EG from a handful of decades ago. It says "Made in England" so it was not the original P&Co (which was made in The US I believe). Look through old BB EG pics here and I think the inside markings will look similar.
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post #1198 of 1360
3/14/13 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by tonylumpkin View Post


Peal has never been owned by Alden. When Peal and Co. went out of business in the '60s, the name was purchased by Brooks Brothers. BB has marketed a line of Peal shoes since then ( there is also thought that they were selling Peal shoes back as far as the '30s), made for them by EG, C&J, Sargent and others. These appear to be EG. I'm just not familiar with that nail pattern and I'm looking for others who might be.


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post #1199 of 1360
3/14/13 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by DpprDr View Post

Looks like EG from a handful of decades ago. It says "Made in England" so it was not the original P&Co (which was made in The US I believe). Look through old BB EG pics here and I think the inside markings will look similar.
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Originally Posted by GMMcL View Post

Is this a trick question? Didn't Peal make its own shoes before being bought by Alden?

Not a shoe guy, but that was what I thought.

Let's keep it straight: Peal & Co was originally an English bespoke shoemaker. They later made RTW shoes for Brooks Brothers. They went bankrupted in the early 1960s, and sold the right to use the name Peal & Co to Brooks Brothers. At the same time period Brooks Brothers had been using Edward Green to make Brooks English line. So after Peal & Co bankruptcy, Brooks Brothers then used Edward Green to make their Peal & Co labeled shoes also. In the early 80s, Brooks Brothers started cutting cost by moving the Brooks English line to Church's, and subsequently in the late 80s, Peal & Co line to Crockett & Jones. In the early 90s, they added Alfred Sargent to Peal & Co.

So back to the main question, these are from Edward Green.

The main difference between Edward Green Peal & Co and original Peal & Co is that the original one has Royal family stamps.
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The shoes arrived, so I've got some better pictures of the heels and interiors. Anyone have any ideas on maker and age?
Interior pics (Click to show)




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post #1200 of 1360
3/14/13 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by onix View Post


Let's keep it straight: Peal & Co was originally an English bespoke shoemaker. They later made RTW shoes for Brooks Brothers. They went bankrupted in the early 1960s, and sold the right to use the name Peal & Co to Brooks Brothers. At the same time period Brooks Brothers had been using Edward Green to make Brooks English line. So after Peal & Co bankruptcy, Brooks Brothers then used Edward Green to make their Peal & Co labeled shoes also. In the early 80s, Brooks Brothers started cutting cost by moving the Brooks English line to Church's, and subsequently in the late 80s, Peal & Co line to Crockett & Jones. In the early 90s, they added Alfred Sargent to Peal & Co.

So back to the main question, these are from Edward Green.

The main difference between Edward Green Peal & Co and original Peal & Co is that the original one has Royal family stamps.

This is GREAT info! I don't know why I had it in my head that Alden had acquired the Peal name. I apologize for that mistake. I had a pair of shoes a while back that said "Made in England by Peal & Co" HEre are some pics. I'd assumed these were actually made by Peal, pre bankruptcy. Was I wrong?

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Edit: It was the side stamp, "Peal ... London", that led me to believe these were not the standard post-bankruptcy shoes.
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