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post #16 of 99
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Originally Posted by sygyzy
I love your logic. Unless it's a matter of national security, there is no reason he shouldn't divulge his source.

you understand we're talking about fake jeans and not balco right? i thought the using the phrase "a very reliable source" instead of just saying "i called true religion" was a bit dramatic in this instance.
post #17 of 99
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Originally Posted by Lysol
just because TR is saying that they're fake, i wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them as fakes. TR has been selling to discounters and outlet stores for the last few years it seems and target certainly qualifies as such. didn't coach recently file charges against target for selling fake merchandise to which target defended saying that they purchased the bags directly from coach? i believe the jury is still out on that one but, with all of these "luxury" brands selling to what they deem as "upscale discounters" (eluxury, nordstrom rack, off 5th, bluefly, loehmans, etc.) i think it is entirely plausable that a buyer for target, could have easily purchased coach, true religion, whatever on the up and up without the companies being fully aware. by the time they realize who exactly they sold their merchandise to, their name has already been tarnished so they have no choice but to claim that they're fake and file a lawsuit. even if it's dropped six months later, the company has does a fair job of distancing themselves from a place like target.

it's entirely possible that they are fake, but IMO it seems more plausible that true religion unknowningly sold target their goods than target was irresponsible enough to sell conterfeit merchandise.

TR is who we called not Target. as for TR selling to discounters, that is not of their doing nor is it of Diesel, or Chip & Pepper, or Sevens, or Paper, or any other brand you can find at a Ross, Loehmans, or Marshalls or any place like that. The vendor has no say in that it is up to the retailers to do with last season apparel what they will and many times it is sold to a consolidator who then sells to the large discount stores.
post #18 of 99
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Originally Posted by Lysol
you understand we're talking about fake jeans and not balco right? i thought the using the phrase "a very reliable source" instead of just saying "i called true religion" was a bit dramatic in this instance.
haha good point
post #19 of 99
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Originally Posted by joey_formal
TR is who we called not Target. as for TR selling to discounters, that is not of their doing nor is it of Diesel, or Chip & Pepper, or Sevens, or Paper, or any other brand you can find at a Ross, Loehmans, or Marshalls or any place like that. The vendor has no say in that it is up to the retailers to do with last season apparel what they will and many times it is sold to a consolidator who then sells to the large discount stores.

i think we're both arguing the same side of the coin. i just think that it's more likely that whoever true religion sold their stock to, sold it to target than that target deals with a company that sells counterfeit merchandise. vendors get into serious bidding wars to sell to target, it's not likely that a vendor that target deals with has millions of dollars in counterfeit jeans lying around and is willing to face finanical ruin and criminal prosecution over it.

i think true religion claiming they're fake might be more damage control than anything else.

again, i could totally be wrong, but on the surface that's what it looks like to me.
post #20 of 99
^^ I agree either way both sides are just trying to benefit them selves, the only reason I will agree with TR on this matter is if Target really did pick up True Religions they're would probably be some sort of marketing blitz associated with it. Target loves to promo their new pick ups such as Mossimo when it became an exclusive, Levi Strauss Sig., and Issac Mizrahi. But again you're point is very valid and very reasonable, I am interested to hear and see how this plays out, granted I do not nor would I ever own any TR product.
post #21 of 99
...and a quick post script. above i said the jury was out on target selling fake coach bags. i was wrong. coach dropped the charges. they were indeed legit.

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/762098.html

damage. control.
post #22 of 99
Why doesn't someone go get a pair of them and check the details?
post #23 of 99
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Originally Posted by Lysol
...and a quick post script. above i said the jury was out on target selling fake coach bags. i was wrong. coach dropped the charges. they were indeed legit.

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/762098.html

damage. control.
good find, damage controll it is, gotta love the consolidators
post #24 of 99
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Originally Posted by j
Why doesn't someone go get a pair of them and check the details?

and pick me up one of these while you're at it:

post #25 of 99
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Originally Posted by Lysol
i think we're both arguing the same side of the coin. i just think that it's more likely that whoever true religion sold their stock to, sold it to target than that target deals with a company that sells counterfeit merchandise. vendors get into serious bidding wars to sell to target, it's not likely that a vendor that target deals with has millions of dollars in counterfeit jeans lying around and is willing to face finanical ruin and criminal prosecution over it.

i think true religion claiming they're fake might be more damage control than anything else.

again, i could totally be wrong, but on the surface that's what it looks like to me.
That is exactly where I was going with my question as well. Speaking from my experience in the industry I agree with you. It is highly probable that True Religion sold product to a jobber. That jobber turned around and sold the product to Target. True Religion can say with all honesty that they did not sell the product to Target and they are not in the habit of selling to discounters etc. etc.

I too doubt Target would risk dealing in counterfeit merchandise, knowing that it would mean all sorts of bad press.

Of course this is just one possibility and one I have encountered many times over the years. Another of course is Target was lazy and stupid and bought fake jeans and thought no one would find out. I doubt this but hey who knows? Stranger things have happened.
post #26 of 99
they are real

there was an article in the detroit free press a few weeks ago about a new project target was experimenting called "FIND" in 80 select stores around the country

target will be selling limited amounts of actual designer goods in select stores at discounted prices but only for a few set weeks at a time and then the goods will disappear and new ones reappear - it's supposed to be totally random and inconsistent to surprise and amuse shoppers and are goods that normally are not sold at target



this is similar to what tj maxx stores are doing in that select tj maxx stores have "RUNWAY AT MAXX" sections with higher end designer goods are being sold - the one in michigan that i've seen with it is the one at southfield and 13 mile in beverly hills whereby a large number of car shoe, prada, armani and dolce e gabbana goods were available along with 575, earnest sewn and that tovarnti so limited edition denim - small selection and nothing to write home about but it's going to be a rotating thing as well so maybe will improve with time
post #27 of 99
remember that business about Urban Outfitters unknowingly selling Thai fake Levis? i ask to illustrate a point, no answer required. EDIT: hermes just rendered my post irrelevant. but i will leave it for the sake of posterity.
post #28 of 99
here's the article:

By Georgea Kovanis
Detroit Free Press

(MCT)


MAXX RUNWAY NEEDS WORK

Intrigued by the new designer department at T.J. Maxx, I hit the store the other day only to be ... underwhelmed.

I shopped the T.J. Maxx at 13 Mile and Southfield in Detroit and while I saw some lovely things -- including a gray Giorgio Armani dress with empire waist for $599.99 (the tag indicated the regular price was $2,275), the displays were so poorly marked and so messy, even I couldn't get excited about shopping.

The designer area is called Runway at Maxx and it promises high-end designer items at up to 60 percent off regular prices. It's the T.J. Maxx version of the Back Room at Loehmann's.

The Runway area is supposed to be marked by purple and black signs. But the signs I saw were poorly positioned and didn't stand out. Even though Runway is near the store's entrance, I walked right past it.

The merchandise was arranged haphazardly -- more haphazard than the usual endearing mess that is T.J. Maxx.

Dresses on hangers were twisted around each other. I worried for the welfare of the clothes. Should fine designerwear -- or even my own non-designer jeans and sweaters -- be treated this way?

The display of women's jeans -- including Antik jeans for $99 (regularly $240, according to the tag) -- was arranged more neatly.

A small offering of men's suits, including a sumptuous wool blazer by Prada for $499.99 (no original price tag) hangs without fanfare.

I hope Runway gets better.



WHAT DID YOU FIND AT THE FIND?
Target is selling designer wear as part of the Find, a new concept it's testing in 80 stores.

The idea is to surprise shoppers with discounted high-end items they wouldn't expect to find at Target.

So far, the offerings have included premium denim at a huge discount, Dooney & Bourke purses and Tommy Hilfiger shirts for men.

Merchandise will change frequently.
post #29 of 99
Well ish, I'm gonna have to take a ride over there tomorrow after class and see what's going on. BTW, I'm in Jersey so I guess that my luck is a 50/50 chance of the one closest to Brookdale having them.
post #30 of 99
when i was like 16 or 17 and in high school, this amazingly beautiful, super popular girl i was friendly with from a class we had together but who, due to societal standards, would never be caught dead mingling with the likes of my skateboard riding, punk rocker self, got drunk at a party i was at. after an undecipherable conversation and using my unparalleled charm and wit we found our way to making out behind a porch umbrella.

i was proud of myself, told some close friends, they told their friends and eventually an entire town new. what else could this girl do but claim that i was lying? her entire existence was based on her station in the high school food chain. so i was branded a liar and she saved a little face and probably walked away better from the situation after it was reaffirmed that she would never do something so lowly.

a few years later some friends of mine ran into her at a bar in our old hometown and got her to admit that she and i had carnal relations. the damage was still done though.

same situation.
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