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post #16 of 39
I don't know that #5 even belongs in there, as I don't see anything old about it at all.

Under the right circumstances, I think a young person could wear any of these jackets. As others have said, it mostly comes down to confidence and how you feel when you wear it.
post #17 of 39
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Originally Posted by MadAboutPlaid View Post
I don't know that #5 even belongs in there, as I don't see anything tweed about it at all.

Under the right circumstances, I think a young person could wear any of these jackets. As others have said, it mostly comes down to confidence and how you feel when you wear it.

FTFY.
post #18 of 39
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Originally Posted by JakeLA View Post
These aren't photos of the OP wearing the various jackets; they're just photos he pulled off the net.

post #19 of 39
No contribution to the topic other than to say #5 is all win. If I could get that down into reasonable (for me) $300'ish territory, I'd be all over it.
post #20 of 39
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Originally Posted by JakeLA View Post
These aren't photos of the OP wearing the various jackets; they're just photos he pulled off the net.

5 star thread. no, 6 stars
post #21 of 39
I think the light-coloured buttons on n. 6 help making it look a lot younger.
post #22 of 39
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Originally Posted by Reevolving View Post
Can you comment on the buttons of the above 6 jackets?

The buttons determine where the jacket will close in relation to your body and how much of a spread there will be. For me the ideal buttoning position is #5.
post #23 of 39
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MadAboutPlaid View Post
I don't know that #5 even belongs in there, as I don't see anything old about it at all.
It was included as an intentional contrast. As per the OP:
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#5 was included b/c it's solid. It looks light and summery, and not mothballish. Patterns add to the old man effect.
post #24 of 39
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by pebblegrain View Post
5 star thread. no, 6 stars
No, 6 stars would be starting a "Steampunk Palin" or "Sore back" thread. Utterly. Useless. Idiot.
post #25 of 39
Youthfulness has more to do with the way a guy carries himself, his attitude and how he wears things than the actual clothes themselves. imo.
post #26 of 39
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Originally Posted by srivats View Post
#6 looks the best fitwise and stylewise. No fit issues anywhere as far as I can see. Get it pressed properly and you'll be good.

in my youthful opinion (21 years old), it fits 'old'- soft shoulders, low arm holes and baggy sleeves

also as for the jacket itself, I dont like the straigt flap pockets, I don't like the buttons and the gorge is a little high

for the fashion conscious young-ling, details are key- so leather football buttons would be bang on

I have been wearing this piece recently
no doubt it's not 'style forum approved'
post #27 of 39
Thread Starter 
mrjames,

On SF, structured shoulders are actually considered "old" (and simply outdated).
Also, low gorges are also considered old. I think this is just fashion conditioning, b/c there is nothing inherently youthful or grandpa about a low or high gorge. It's just some arbitrary notch.

Here is a different look at mrjames' jacket:
http://www.pure-man.com/item/Holland...33_3252_4.html
http://www.wardrobeclothing.co.uk/in...product_id=431
post #28 of 39
What makes several of those look dated isn't really specific to tweed -- widish lapels, heavily padded shoulders, very closed quarters ... Tom Ford is mining some of those looks, but for most folks, those details still suggest "dated." Add a little wear and the effect is "old," which looks sensible on an old guy but usually looks thrift shop on the young. Eventually, I suspect, SF's beloved supersoft shoulder will conjure the same reaction. Those were big back in the 2010s, SFers of the future will say. That's the trouble with the frequently advocated notion that "classic style" is timeless -- even if you opt only for moderate lapels and dress as conservatively as possible, the RTW you buy today, with rare exception, isn't going to look like what's in shops 10, 20 years from now. Personally, I'd rather wear something specifically "period" because I like the style than something conservative that looks vaguely frumpy and dated.
post #29 of 39
I like this. Reevolving isn't afraid of going against the grain of things. FWIW, here are my answers to your questions. Note, because I get where reevolving usually comes from, I qualify everything here with in the wild (ITW), that is, this is what I think matters outside of here. Because not everybody can be a SF alumni, graduating with honors... 1. Jeans always change the perception, especially out in the wild. All other things being equal, jeans will come off as less old manish, provided the jeans are not old manish. 2. 3 button jackets almost always look too stuffy and outdated. Low button stance is a must for SC, lest you look like you are wearing a strange outerwear coat to most people in the wild. 3. Ties for the most part in the wild will connote: 1) you just came from work or are going to work 2) if worn with a decidedly hip outfit, you are a overtly trying to stand out with an ironic outfit (look at me twist this dog collar of oppression into a fashion statement!) 3) you have been wearing ties for most of your life, so this ain’t a thing i.e. you are old. So, yea no tie=equals younger look, unless you want the hip look, but that’s another bag of tricks involved. 4. Waist suppression makes a lot of difference, but ultimately if the cut of the jacket isn’t slim, it won’t matter much. Though, I notice that if the lapels on most SC aren’t huge, waist suppression and shortening of the length can make a big impact on youthfulness. 5. Yes, #3 and #4 will more than likely always look outdated and old manish (you know, ITW) 6. This only applies to static shots and postions, so I don’t place much importance to this. I suppose the hand in the pocket look is more youthful because we are told the English do not speak to persons with hands in their pockets…. 7. Of course, the younger one is, the easier for any piece of clothing to look less old. There are limitations, which is sort of the point of this analysis right 8. yes, see answer to number 2. 9. This is one of those SF things that have become more and more apparent to me: the slimmer you are, the better chance any outfit will get compliments. This holds true in the wild (a rarity!) 10. I am mostly directing answers to in the wild scenarios. So I can’t answer this.
post #30 of 39
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post
What makes several of those look dated isn't really specific to tweed -- widish lapels, heavily padded shoulders, very closed quarters ... Tom Ford is mining some of those looks, but for most folks, those details still suggest "dated." Add a little wear and the effect is "old," which looks sensible on an old guy but usually looks thrift shop on the young. Eventually, I suspect, SF's beloved supersoft shoulder will conjure the same reaction. Those were big back in the 2010s, SFers of the future will say. That's the trouble with the frequently advocated notion that "classic style" is timeless -- even if you opt only for moderate lapels and dress as conservatively as possible, the RTW you buy today, with rare exception, isn't going to look like what's in shops 10, 20 years from now. Personally, I'd rather wear something specifically "period" because I like the style than something conservative that looks vaguely frumpy and dated.
Doc, well said. I've given this some thought myself. I think it's futile to try to look "timeless". Half the stuff people here think is timeless is just fashion. Low vs. high gorge. Lapel width. Length of jacket. The bottom line is: First, stuff looks new, then it looks old. Just like cars. So, I agree with you. You might as well embrace fashion, to some extent, b/c all of this shit is going in the trash within 5-10 years, regardless.
  • Ties? Jackets? Yup. The desirable length/width will change, and suddenly you'll have something embarrassingly outdated.
  • Pants? Hey, pleats were all the rage at one point. Low rise with no break will also look frumpy and outdated one day.
  • Dress shirts. Moot. They stain and rip.
  • Socks. Disposable.
  • Watch. Yea, how stupid does the 1995 chain link Tag Heuer look right now?
Belts & shoes might be the only exception.
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