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post #46 of 59
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Originally Posted by redcaimen View Post
Calm down. AF assures me that the only data gathering that takes place in corporations is in the noble pursuit of an improved customer experience.

Thanks. I'm resting easier already.
post #47 of 59
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Originally Posted by grit View Post
I care to the extent that Apple is making $$$ that should be mine. Argument:

- My location is my personal, ostensibly private information, i.e. I own it until I voluntarily give it away.
- My location has monetary value to marketers, because they use it to try to sell me things.
- If a marketer finds information that I own valuable, they should pay ME for it, not Apple. Q.E.D.

Yes but you sign that away to Apple and AT&T when you buy an iPhone subscription the same as you sign away the monthly premium.

The reality is that we've been paying for the web and information technology services for the past decade or two with information instead of money. Personally, I prefer that arrangement -- I'm find with spending my information to get services instead of my cash. If I could buy a suit for my blood-type and a nude photo instead of for $2,000 I'd do it.

Now, I can understand of course why others wouldn't, and Apple and other companies should be transparent about what they're collecting so that consumers can make an educated choice to opt-out and not purchase the product -- but just remember that this information you think you should be reimbursed for is indeed already paying for something.
post #48 of 59
I just don't see what all the fuss is about. Just by having a mobile phone means you're being tracked all the time anyway. Maybe an issue for those who have something to hide.

I know a few people who make a real song and dance about privacy, and then would go and post all their private info on Facebook.
post #49 of 59
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Originally Posted by grit View Post
- My location is my personal, ostensibly private information, i.e. I own it until I voluntarily give it away.

You'd better stay at home then and throw your mobile phone away, cut-up your credit cards, oh and stay off the internet. Better get Google to delete your house from Street View as well.

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Originally Posted by grit View Post
- My location has monetary value to marketers, because they use it to try to sell me things.

Yes, stay off the internet.
post #50 of 59
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post
I just don't see what all the fuss is about. Just by having a mobile phone means you're being tracked all the time anyway. Maybe an issue for those who have something to hide.

I know a few people who make a real song and dance about privacy, and then would go and post all their private info on Facebook.

This is all kinds of ignorant.
post #51 of 59
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Originally Posted by NameBack View Post
If I could buy a suit for my blood-type and a nude photo instead of for $2,000 I'd do it.

You wouldn't be able to buy a gumball for what that information is worth.
post #52 of 59
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post
This is all kinds of ignorant.
Unfortunately it's true. Your carrier knows exactly where are at all times just by carrying your mobile phone around with you. The government and it's agents can request this location information any time they like. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4738219.stm 'It is relatively simple to follow a person via their mobile phone. Plenty of companies offer technology to do so, legally and with the phone user's knowledge. However, the same process can be employed by police to locate the user without alerting them. Detectives need to first identify the phone and then find out where it is.' Obviously person in question here did have something to hide. Whos to say your carrier is not selling your location information to third-parties, like advertisers. Android phones always transmit location information back to Google, seems to me what Apple is doing is no different.
post #53 of 59
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Originally Posted by tagutcow View Post
You wouldn't be able to buy a gumball for what that information is worth.

SNAP

I was waiting for someone to knock that one down.
post #54 of 59
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post
Unfortunately it's true. Your carrier knows exactly where are at all times just by carrying your mobile phone around with you. The government and it's agents can request this location information any time they like.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4738219.stm

'It is relatively simple to follow a person via their mobile phone. Plenty of companies offer technology to do so, legally and with the phone user's knowledge.

However, the same process can be employed by police to locate the user without alerting them. Detectives need to first identify the phone and then find out where it is.'


Obviously person in question here did have something to hide. Whos to say your carrier is not selling your location information to third-parties, like advertisers.

Android phones always transmit location information back to Google, seems to me what Apple is doing is no different.

Yeah, ya kinda missed the point.
post #55 of 59
Why couldn't they find my phone when it was stolen then?
post #56 of 59
Apparently Apple is not watching you:
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011...cation_qa.html

'1. Why is Apple tracking the location of my iPhone?
Apple is not tracking the location of your iPhone. Apple has never done so and has no plans to ever do so.'
post #57 of 59
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post
Apparently Apple is not watching you:
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011...cation_qa.html

'1. Why is Apple tracking the location of my iPhone?
Apple is not tracking the location of your iPhone. Apple has never done so and has no plans to ever do so.'

Uh - huh. If nothing is wrong, why are they fixing it?
post #58 of 59
Interesting stuff researchers can do with the stored data:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...48814.html?mod
post #59 of 59
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Originally Posted by zarathustra View Post
Uh - huh. If nothing is wrong, why are they fixing it?
I don't know if there is anything wrong, or if they are fixing it. Anyway isn't everybody who is using an iPhone agreed to the iPhone ToS/EULA... which says. (b) Location Data. Apple and its partners and licensees may provide certain services through your iPhone that rely upon location information. To provide and improve these services, where available, Apple and its partners and licensees may transmit, collect, maintain, process and use your location data, including the real-time geographic location of your iPhone, and location search queries. The location data and queries collected by Apple are collected in a form that does not personally identify you and may be used by Apple and its partners and licensees to provide and improve location-based products and services. By using any location-based services on your iPhone, you agree and consent to Apple's and its partners' and licensees' transmission, collection, maintenance, processing and use of your location data and queries to provide and improve such products and services. You may withdraw this consent at any time by going to the Location Services setting on your iPhone and either turning off the global Location Services setting or turning off the individual location settings of each location-aware application on your iPhone. Not using these location features will not impact the non location-based functionality of your iPhone. When using third party applications or services on the iPhone that use or provide location data, you are subject to and should review such third party's terms and privacy policy on use of location data by such third party applications or services. http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iphone4.pdf Apple sure loves incredibly long and wordy EULAs. BTW SF'ers may be interested as to what Google knows about you. "Keep tabs on what Google knows about you" http://news.cnet.com/8301-13880_3-20006529-68.html
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