Originally Posted by LA Guy
No, but you forget that the inverse can be true. You can make use the best materials to make a shitty product, both objectively and subjectively. Objectively, even if you use amazing leather, you can screw up the edge treatments; you can use shitty hardware; you can screw up the handiwork - for example, not properly planing the leather at the buckle, bad stitching, etc... I've seen all of these.
Subjectively speaking, you can just end up with a boring product, i.e. make a good quality product undesirable by poor design. My favorite jeans belt is the KMW belt, because the buckle is distinctive enough to be interesting, but not outrageous. I am not going to pay $300+ for a plain old garrison belt, not matter how good the leather is (well, maybe if it has an amazing dye job or something.) Look at other desirable belts, and there are little distinguishing features that make them so. The fish notches on the Rby45RPM belts are a nice example.
There are, of course, belts that combine ingenuous design, good materials, and good workmanship. My favorite example is my Julius triple wrong belt, which is really a double ring belt, with a third ring instead of stitching or screws securing the two rings. Each ring was cast with an Engrish statement that speaks to...something about the male condition, I think. The leather is a very supple, thick, and beautiful cowhide.
i don't think there's a point of argument here. mosdef, [in the wrong hands] a fine piece of leather can easily turn to crap. but, what i'm driving @ is exactly what you just mentioned. why would i pay 300+ on a plain old garrison belt when i can have exactly like it for less than half the price
... maybe with even better/exotic finish/tannage. just comparing apples with apples.
as for the esthetics & design, of course that gets factored into the price tag. that's why i mentioned/meant by, "every1's got their own style & fashion sensibilities, so you don't equate [that] cuz it's subjective
Originally Posted by Uncontrol
Huh? This is a style forum. Just because it's subjective doesn't mean it isn't worth discussing. Either way of course the quality of a belt is really very important, but not all belts are design-less slabs of tan leather and nickel.
For what it's worth, I have two belts; one you will hate, and one you may be able to tolerate
This one is by 5351 Pour les Hommes. Very thick, supple piece of calf leather, made in Japan. Unadorned except for the buckle, which is a really nice "sword" shape.
Yes, a belt that falls apart after a few months isn't worth being part of an outfit. But I'm not interested in a nice "evo" or whatever
, not everything in life is a pair of raw denim, some people just want a belt that holds up and looks good. I've seen your style and it seems like you're more interested in denim and leather from a technical perspective
(as in, how it evolves) rather than a purely aesthetic perspective (how it looks right now).
tolerate the 2nd one? i actually love it. so, i suppose, i was mistaken when i readily assumed that we "got zilch in common
". the 1st one, i don't hate, but it's just not me... in the same way you are about "evo". believe it or not, i got [other
] stuff, too. hitting the shops in SoHo is a fave past time. it's just that, @ this juncture, i prefer the ones that i'm currently wearing.