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post #946 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Cantabrigian View Post

I've ordered from both and I don't think Ercole can compare.
Maybe I just had bad luck and I really wanted to stick with Frank since he's such a nice guy but in my experience he just isn't a good fitter.
Some people here seem to be happy with him which is cool for them since at least the Brooklyn price is reasonable. Though even in terms of constructoin, I'd give Chan the edge in this price bracket.

when did you both order?

Ercole's work seems better recently?
post #947 of 1859
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

The unfortunate bottom line is that Ambrosi sees its future in luxury retail, not bespoke service. The discussions I've had with both Salvatore and his Korean "manager" suggest they don't know there's a difference. As far as I can tell, they would convert to a factory-made MTM product if possible. Who knows? Maybe they are already there.
The men that I worked with years ago and recommended to the forum have been replaced by a brand machine. This machine does not value individual clients and cannot be expected to provide the service and attention one would expect from his tailor. This is what happened to me. Salvatore neglected to note agreed-upon changes to my fit when I last visited him in Naples and made irreversible mistakes when cutting the cloth I supplied. Now he insists that my conversation with him in Naples never happened (which I documented here) and I simply outgrew the trousers he made for me.
Oh, and at the last minute, he increased his prices on me. I had little choice but to pay since he had already made the pants out of my fabric.
I'll repeat this story a thousand times if necessary. Buyer beware.
As for the Asian clients out there: you are getting fleeced, paying two to three times the price others pay.

I haven't followed the epic poem of the pents too closely but I think this could be a little misleading or at least that reasonable minds could differ on the bolded part.

When a mistake happens (and eventually they will) it's not as if there's an agreement on when things will be fixed or remade. The customer always wants things remade and the maker always wants to fix the existing things.

Nine times out of ten, things aren't remade.

Seems like people can certainly fault him for saying he's sent something when he hasn't (and probably even for significant delays). And it's totally his fault for not making the changes to the pattern before cutting.

But in the interest of anyone who actually reads SF for information on how this all works / is supposed to work, thought it might be worth pointing out that general practice is to fix something rather than remake it especially if it's your material.
post #948 of 1859
Obviously. But the issue is that certain mistakes cannot be "fixed."

In this case, the pants were made 5-7 centimeters too small around the waist. Also, other fit adjustments from my personal visit to his atelier in Naples were forgotten and ignored. The whole point was to get one pair right (which he did), before having him finish the other nine or ten. Those nine or ten were made in complete ignorance of the first, which we went over together in Naples. Salvatore even admitted he forgot to note the pattern changes, thus making me pants that were nothing like what we agreed upon and could not be restored without new fabric. He only turned on me as if it was all my fault after I gave him the fabric codes he asked for to order new cloth.
post #949 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Cantabrigian View Post

I've ordered from both and I don't think Ercole can compare.
Maybe I just had bad luck and I really wanted to stick with Frank since he's such a nice guy but in my experience he just isn't a good fitter.
Some people here seem to be happy with him which is cool for them since at least the Brooklyn price is reasonable. Though even in terms of constructoin, I'd give Chan the edge in this price bracket.

Wow.
post #950 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Cantabrigian View Post

I've ordered from both and I don't think Ercole can compare.
Maybe I just had bad luck and I really wanted to stick with Frank since he's such a nice guy but in my experience he just isn't a good fitter.
Some people here seem to be happy with him which is cool for them since at least the Brooklyn price is reasonable. Though even in terms of constructoin, I'd give Chan the edge in this price bracket.

I have had a different experience. I like the pants made by Frank more than those made by Chan - they seem to fit better.
post #951 of 1859
yes, Patrick's forte is certainly not fitting pants. He does a nice job with coats (with some issues here and there with shoulder lines on unpadded shoulders) but he's been notorious for struggling with trousers fit. That said, Cantabrigian was comparing construction here.
post #952 of 1859
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post

yes, Patrick's forte is certainly not fitting pants. He does a nice job with coats (with some issues here and there with shoulder lines on unpadded shoulders) but he's been notorious for struggling with trousers fit. That said, Cantabrigian was comparing construction here.
Does Frank not do the pants fitting?
post #953 of 1859
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Originally Posted by taxgenius View Post

Wow.

My pants by WWC have some of the neatest stitching and attention to detail.

They are certainly the best machine-made pants I have ever seen.
post #954 of 1859
Just chiming in though I haven't read thru all of this thread... I have 3 pairs of Ambrosi pants and they are probably the best fitting and well-made pants I have. I think I lucked out in that I saw once Salvatore in the states, then I picked up the pents in Italy a couple months later (he had them done already). I was super impressed with his ability to get the fit right the first time since he pretty much just eyeballed me and jotted down a few numbers. but the pants hang perfectly, even over my sprinter butt and short chicken legs. The specs (side tabs, cuff height, etc.) were also all correct. This was 2 years ago though.
post #955 of 1859
I assume they're not the ones you just posted in WAYWT ? wink.gif
post #956 of 1859
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Obviously. But the issue is that certain mistakes cannot be "fixed."
In this case, the pants were made 5-7 centimeters too small around the waist. Also, other fit adjustments from my personal visit to his atelier in Naples were forgotten and ignored. The whole point was to get one pair right (which he did), before having him finish the other nine or ten. Those nine or ten were made in complete ignorance of the first, which we went over together in Naples. Salvatore even admitted he forgot to note the pattern changes, thus making me pants that were nothing like what we agreed upon and could not be restored without new fabric. He only turned on me as if it was all my fault after I gave him the fabric codes he asked for to order new cloth.

Did he recut new trousers for you? If he refused to buy fabric, I'd probably buy new fabric and ask him to cut me new pants if he agreed not to charge for labor, at least I would have trousers that fit rather than ending up with trousers that don't fit at all.
post #957 of 1859
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Originally Posted by forex View Post

Did he recut new trousers for you? If he refused to buy fabric, I'd probably buy new fabric and ask him to cut me new pants if he agreed not to charge for labor, at least I would have trousers that fit rather than ending up with trousers that don't fit at all.

So you would pay for the material 2wice if HE messed up the cut?
post #958 of 1859
Did you not read what I just wrote? Fabric is cheap compared to labor and if he agreed to remake them, yes, I would get the fabric. It is better than ending up with no trousers.
post #959 of 1859
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Originally Posted by forex View Post

Did you not read what I just wrote? Fabric is cheap compared to labor and if he agreed to remake them, yes, I would get the fabric. It is better than ending up with no trousers.

The cloth costs nearly as much as the labor in this instance.
post #960 of 1859
$700 for 1.5 yards?
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