Originally Posted by mafoofan
The point is not that NYR is beneath me. The point is that he cannot have it both ways by proudly limiting himself to a local tailor while pontificating on others. Moreover, he's the one making the class argument. Apparently, tailors are too stupid to run an effective business and can't help but take new orders and new payments, like a lemmings headed for a cliff's edge. The Big Bad Client with the money to spend is to blame. One can proudly wear the hat of provincialism if he likes, but he can't take it off whenever it suits him to appear worldly.
Matt, I was not being provincial in my choice of tailor, I was being practical. And I was not making a class argument AT ALL. Whether its a tailor, or a bank, or a law firm, in business no one who wants to grow will turn away prospective clients for fear of becoming too big. In fact, I think its partially one of the reasons people can be secretive about who their tailors are (MBT). I am sensible though, and can see how you may interpret something I say AS class based, but this simply is not the case. You should know though, that much of what you, and other posters her do post, is interpreted as cocky, and holier than thou, based on your previous postings. Regarding the practicality of choosing a provincial tailor, its well know, I teach school. I don't make the money of a Wall Streeter or a lawyer, nor have I inherited ANYTHING. I bust my ass (as do you) for the money I earn, I like getting clothes made for me, and I go where I do because its in my neighborhood, I like the people AND I can afford it. You seem to (and correct me if I'm wrong) dismiss what Ercole can produce because
he's local. I'm too lazy to go earch but when I mentioned that Ercoles products are 99% done by hand, you scoffed, and said how can he charge so little. You forget, that Rubinacci (whose work I admire btw) has a brand to sell, just like Prada and D&G. Ambrosi is now doing the same. So there's going to be a lot more overhead on clothing made by them. that doesn't mean its not good, but just because my pants aren't $750 a pair, doesn't mean they can't be as good if not BETTER than the ones made by Sal. Again, I'm not saying Sal and Rubinacci don't make wonderful garments, but that you shouldn't simply dismiss other tailors because their products aren't as expensive. I also think part of the price paid for Ambrosi and Rubinacci (and to an extent NSM) is the romance in the fact that its made in Naples. Many of you travel there as part of your bespoke process for fittings, pick ups, or selections. Not nearly as romantic as taking the N train to Dyker Heights, but when you compare the meat and bones of the garment, you'll find that its not that different. In fact, I'd like to offer an e-olive branch if you will, and invite you to go see Frank to get a pair of pants made. Bring your Ambrosis. I could meet you there, even buy you an espresso across the street if you like, and you can see for yourself what I'm talking about, and maybe even be pleasantly surprised to find a less expensive option, with the convenience of being right here for quick fixes, or anything else you might want/need. I'm really not some angry socialist dickhead, and I know deepdown, you're not an angry elitist one. PM me if you'd like to come to Ercoles and give em a shot. **Edit** If you'd like to take me along to Naples with you next time you travel, and pick me up a pair of pants, I'd be more than happy to oblige, even if I have to travel streerage...