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Originally Posted by Son Of Saphir View Post

yes,
many modern design G&G very ugly but have much big market than traditional shoe model.
Tony is very smart man,
he cutting edge design man.
JLP rtw is same,
many ugly cutting edge design.
JLP and G&G = very smart maker
Traditional shoe have small market,
not many man buy traditional shoe,
a man like modern ugly shoe best.
Modern ugly shoe is big seller.
Traditional shoe small seller in rtw.
Many men not like shoe ther grandfather wear ffffuuuu.gif
yes,
it very very true.

Ha ha, are you able to type that rubbish whilst keeping a straight face
post #2267 of 22588
me speak to many people in industry,
it all true.
post #2268 of 22588
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Originally Posted by Son Of Saphir View Post

me speak to many people in industry,
it all true.

Please take your Middle European tastes to another thread this is the Gaziano and Girling Appreciation Thread
post #2269 of 22588
It's not a taste limited to Middle Europe. Also he expressed an appreciation for G&G's more traditional shoes.
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Originally Posted by Son Of Saphir View Post

Many men not like shoe ther grandfather wear ffffuuuu.gif

i would have died for a pair my grandfather would have made for me. fortunately, i got the chance to meet mr. kiss, who's been trained in the same tradition.
post #2271 of 22588
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

It's not a taste limited to Middle Europe. Also he expressed an appreciation for G&G's more traditional shoes.

exactly

haters gonna hate...
post #2272 of 22588
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Originally Posted by culverwood View Post

Please take your Middle European tastes to another thread this is the Gaziano and Girling Appreciation Thread

??
me like G&G very very much.
post #2273 of 22588
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Originally Posted by Son Of Saphir View Post

me speak to many people in industry,

Where are these people based? In Ozzie-land, I presume.
post #2274 of 22588
some factory in china,
some factory in europe.
post #2275 of 22588
Actually, if I read SOS's posts correctly (wish he'd get some syntax smile.gif) there are many who don't care for G&G's styling or that tendency across the board. My friend, at Colonial Williamsburg...who is one of the foremost shoe historians in in the world and a fine shoemaker in his own right...considers them to be too "metro-sexual," among other things, and prefers the classic shapes as embodied by John Lobb St. James. One person (by no means alone) but perhaps a bit less vulnerable to passing whimsey.

As a shoemaker/bootmaker, I admire the G&G styling (although not all styles) and adventuresomeness and simply regard the more extreme examples (not just G&G) as both inevitable and a transient catering to fashion. For instance, people hate square toes on this forum, but the chances are very high that within the lifetimes of some younger members square toes will become wildly fashionable again...and everyone will have to have a pair. To the degree that companies/shoemakers follow fashion trends, this becomes even more inevitable.

And to the degree that consumers are satisfied with factory work and RTW, such shifting, sometimes even extreme, aesthetics become the norm and even accelerate.

In order to compete factories have to have a fresh look every season.
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

Actually, if I read SOS's posts correctly (wish he'd get some syntax smile.gif) there are many who don't care for G&G's styling or that tendency across the board. My friend, at Colonial Williamsburg...who is one of the foremost shoe historians in in the world and a fine shoemaker in his own right...considers them to be too "metro-sexual," among other things, and prefers the classic shapes as embodied by John Lobb St. James. One person (by no means alone) but perhaps a bit less vulnerable to passing whimsey.
As a shoemaker/bootmaker, I admire the G&G styling (although not all styles) and adventuresomeness and simply regard the more extreme examples (not just G&G) as both inevitable and a transient catering to fashion. For instance, people hate square toes on this forum, but the chances are very high that within the lifetimes of some younger members square toes will become wildly fashionable again...and everyone will have to have a pair. To the degree that companies/shoemakers follow fashion trends, this becomes even more inevitable.
And to the degree that consumers are satisfied with factory work and RTW, such shifting, sometimes even extreme, aesthetics become the norm and even accelerate.
In order to compete factories have to have a fresh look every season.

Spoken like a true southerner. smile.gif
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Spoken like a true southerner. smile.gif

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It's been a long time since I was anything close to being a southerner. Oregon has to be near as far north as NYC.

That said, I remember it fondly.
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

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It's been a long time since I was anything close to being a southerner. Oregon has to be near as far north as NYC.
That said, I remember it fondly.

No, I mean your Virginian friend!
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No, I mean your Virginian friend!

Ah! Now I understand.

Well, maybe...but he's quite well traveled and is a bona fide academic (for all that implies...good and bad) and as I say, internationally recognized. His mentor, June Swann, was curator of the shoemaking collection at Northampton for many years. I suppose he absorbed no few of her biases with regard to shoe styling down the years. But people like this (him and her) tend to be exposed to many more "cosmopolitan" influences than do the most of us.

While a little more open to divergences in styling, I understand...and to some degree sympathize... with their preferences for classic stylings, if only because they represent timeless and well considered forms that serve function as well as fashion.

All too often, down through the ages, we see highly touted innovation that is more caprice than craft. And when each celebrated idiom passes into obscurity, the classics remain.

If nothing else it's comforting.
post #2280 of 22588
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He said models, not lasts.  But I do agree that certain models/designs collide with certain lasts.  For example, DG70 w/ any cap toes looks chopped and unnatural.

 

I am still trying to find the wing tip oxford...


Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks. To me, DG70 in a cap-toe is the business.
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