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Originally Posted by MoutonBarton View Post
 

Hi... another sizing question here

 

I just got my Thorpe from recent Skoat GMTO (green hatch grain, GG06 last UK7.5 F)

I find it almost half size bigger than my St. James II (MH71 UK 7.5E) and even slightly wider than my Gable in UK8E (same length though)

 

is it true that normally boots would be bigger (or longer ?) even in the same size? 

 

I was at the Savile Row store in August, and tried on a boot. To the assistants surprise (and contrary to what I`ve read here- which is all models, same last), I had the same experience. It was about a size too large and too wide compared to the size I usually wear in GG laceups. Not sure though if it is to do with your F order though.

post #21437 of 21771
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Originally Posted by MoutonBarton View Post

Hi... another sizing question here

I just got my Thorpe from recent Skoat GMTO (green hatch grain, GG06 last UK7.5 F)
I find it almost half size bigger than my St. James II (MH71 UK 7.5E) and even slightly wider than my Gable in UK8E (same length though)

is it true that normally boots would be bigger (or longer ?) even in the same size? 

This seem to be exactly as it should. When you go up one width it's the same circumference (width refers to the girth all around the last, not the 2D width at its widest part or something like that) as one standard size up. Now, a derby with open lacing is normally a bit roomier than an oxford with closed lacing. So the fact that a derby boot like Thorpe in 7,5F feels more than half a size larger than an oxford like St James in 7,5E and wider than an oxford like Gable in 8E sounds just right to me.
post #21438 of 21771
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Originally Posted by MrVenneri View Post

FWIW: I also drop a half size on all lasts when purchasing a lace-less shoe. My Mayfair (TG73) and Corniche (Deco) are UK8E's while the rest of my oxford fleet is UK8.5E's. For reference I have the following lasts...Deco, MH71, TG73, GG06, and DG70.

The UK8's definitely teeter on the too-tight threshold but after a few wears in the house they ease in perfectly. Right out of the box my oxfords are "a beautiful, beautiful, thing folks"...but after they break in I need tongue pads to eliminate the *slight* heel slip.

Thanks for this info here. Did you also size down on your Burnham Chelseas in comparison with your oxfords?
post #21439 of 21771
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Originally Posted by Easily Amused View Post

Thanks for this info here. Did you also size down on your Burnham Chelseas in comparison with your oxfords?

You are welcome!

I did not, only for laceless shoes (loafers, monks, those weird little slip-on laceless wholecut shoes, ect.). Boots I find to be more forgiving, mostly because of the material that runs up the ankle. Additionally I can fill any additional volume with a boot sock without compromising comfort...where as I would only wear proper dress socks with an Oxford.

Just my experiences, I'm sure others will vary.
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You are welcome!

I did not, only for laceless shoes (loafers, monks, those weird little slip-on laceless wholecut shoes, ect.). Boots I find to be more forgiving, mostly because of the material that runs up the ankle. Additionally I can fill any additional volume with a boot sock without compromising comfort...where as I would only wear proper dress socks with an Oxford.

Just my experiences, I'm sure others will vary.

Thank you again, @MrVenneri! I only have oxford/derby experience with G&G, and before jumping into its most expensive "off-the-rack" model in MTO, input and experience like yours are very appreciated, sir smile.gif

Visions of Burnhams in Rioja Hatch and Wensum soles, on a TG-73 last invade my waking thoughts...
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Thank you again, @MrVenneri! I only have oxford/derby experience with G&G, and before jumping into its most expensive "off-the-rack" model in MTO, input and experience like yours are very appreciated, sir smile.gif

Visions of Burnhams in Rioja Hatch and Wensum soles, on a TG-73 last invade my waking thoughts...

 

You are absolutely welcome - anything to help out my good man! If you'd like to see comparative pictures among lasts, or anything of the like, I'm happy to provide.

 

But please, please, please...take my personal feedback with a grain of salt. I have lost thousands due to poor judgement (on my end) by hastily making sizing/fit decisions based on the advice of others. I know its annoying and entirely convoluted but if there is anyway that you're able to try something on first - please do that! It might delay your purchase an entire month and be a bit of a hassle...but the alternative is selling for a loss...something I know too well. :(

post #21442 of 21771
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Originally Posted by MrVenneri View Post

I have lost thousands due to poor judgement (on my end) by hastily making sizing/fit decisions based on the advice of others. I know its annoying and entirely convoluted but if there is anyway that you're able to try something on first - please do that! It might delay your purchase an entire month and be a bit of a hassle...but the alternative is selling for a loss...something I know too well. frown.gif

I corroborate, having also lost a lot of money by being over-eager size-wise - @MrVenneri speaks the truth. Investing a lot of time and effort to get the fit right is well worth it.
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Gentlemen, Super excited for the Incoming pair - G&G Sinatras on the Deco Square last (with Deco square lasted trees) and Red coronation patina.

post #21444 of 21771
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Originally Posted by saurabh View Post

Gentlemen, Super excited for the Incoming pair - G&G Sinatras on the Deco Square last (with Deco square lasted trees) and Red coronation patina.

Lovely. But wouldn't this model be Cooper?
post #21445 of 21771
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Lovely. But wouldn't this model be Cooper?

Thanks. This model is Sinatra which is a wholecut shoe too like copper and it's on the deco last too so yes it's very much similar.
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@saurabh Absolutely beautiful shoes, they are exquisite. God bless you sir.

 

@sd2002 Loving the technicality! That was my thought as well.

post #21447 of 21771
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Originally Posted by MrVenneri View Post
 

@saurabh Absolutely beautiful shoes, they are exquisite. God bless you sir.

 

@sd2002 Loving the technicality! That was my thought as well.


Thank you so much @MrVenneri :) Cant wait to see them in person. I am so addicted to G&G that can't buy anything else now lol

post #21448 of 21771
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Originally Posted by MrVenneri View Post

You are absolutely welcome - anything to help out my good man! If you'd like to see comparative pictures among lasts, or anything of the like, I'm happy to provide.

But please, please, please...take my personal feedback with a grain of salt. I have lost thousands due to poor judgement (on my end) by hastily making sizing/fit decisions based on the advice of others. I know its annoying and entirely convoluted but if there is anyway that you're able to try something on first - please do that! It might delay your purchase an entire month and be a bit of a hassle...but the alternative is selling for a loss...something I know too well. frown.gif

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Originally Posted by grc1 View Post

I corroborate, having also lost a lot of money by being over-eager size-wise - @MrVenneri speaks the truth. Investing a lot of time and effort to get the fit right is well worth it.

Thank you as always for the advice, gentlemen. I agree with, appreciate, and empathize with your comments. This past year-and-a-half has been a bit of a journey also with finding the most "appropriate" shoe size for me (at least as far as oxfords and derbies). I also ended up with a few oversized G&Gs and Carminas, but thankfully thicker socks and tongue pads sufficiently mitigate foot "swimming" in the shoes. I *think* I have my optimal RTW/MTO size after trying on a few sizes at two local stores, and was also advised by Gaziano and Girling (Neus at the Saville Row store) that I should go with my oxford size for the Burnham I am planning. Fingers crossed all will work out!
post #21449 of 21771
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Originally Posted by saurabh View Post

Gentlemen, Super excited for the Incoming pair - G&G Sinatras on the Deco Square last (with Deco square lasted trees) and Red coronation patina.


Dedd Sxxxy, sir! Will love to see this (along with other patina'd G&Gs) in the wild!
post #21450 of 21771
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Originally Posted by grc1 View Post

Aesthetically, it's all but impossible for anyone off the street to tell the difference between a full deco model and a deco-lasted "standard model".

It's easier to see from the underside, but it's not my expertise to elucidate, let alone make comparative judgments between what I understand to be two very high levels of workmanship. At any rate, no-one who needs a shoe needs a G&G shoe, deco or non-deco, to do the job, so a value-for-money deliberation on points of construction can only go so far in terms of decision-making - in the end, you buy G&G because you really like their shoes. You buy deco when you really want a deco.

I asked Nick as well, and he said that the full Decos are constructed--handmade--with a tighter waist; can/do you see this distinction compared to the standard models on the deco last?
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