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Maiden voyage of my vintage cherry st. james IIs thanks to Skoak and the Brexit! Oh these are just lovely.

 

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Maiden voyage of my vintage cherry st. james IIs thanks to Skoak and the Brexit! Oh these are just lovely.



Welcome to the club...
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As this thread includes reviews in the title, I`d like to give a review of my first wear of the Ishams.

 

The fit is near perfect, and this was already confirmed by my Rosewood Kudu order, and hence my second purchase of the same model. A day in the shoe was absolutely fine, and there was light rain that day. I would no usually take a new shoe out in the rain, but thought it might give the sole a better break-in, and get that first level of finish off more quickly - a good choice, though the uppers didn't get wet. 

 

A couple of small negatives or unexpected things:

 

1. The inside vamp creases very badly, not in a smooth fashion. My feeling is that this is the leathers finish - thinner than I expected and drier upon first wear. Obviously the finishing is top class, but that quickly breaks down, and the tanning reveals a drier and thinner leather than I expected. Not a big issue, and may get better with time, but dissapointing for a shoe of this price. Overall I`ve found the GG leathers dry and takes a polish well, but once you bend the shoe, that cream/polish does not last long. I made a comment before on a gentleman`s shoes who posts here often, the vamps always look dry on GG - this is well confirmed. Polish and cream your shoes, they look beautiful, but take a walk, and that disappears on the creased parts, quicker than on any shoe I`ve had. To me this is a sign of the quality of the leather. GG shoes never keep their polished look. I think daily loads of Saphir creams may well help, but believe its in the tanning and quality of the leathers used frankly.

 

2. The double sole is harder and stiffer than expected (commenting also from my Kudu`s, which I`ve worn for a few months now), but remarkably takes dings and bashes very easily, which leaves marks and dents on the sole. I can only compare to a EG Dover double sole - that was more supple and never took dents - it absorbed them, and returned to normal. GG soles take a dent and keeps it.

 

Overall a great shoe, but for that price I`m expecting a little better quality of leather. CJ hand grade are around half the price, and don't have these issues. A beautifully made and designed shoe, with top machine finish (stitches) with huge fans here, but given the site allows for a review, I thought I`d give my frank opinions. Even thou

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

gh its the same size and last as my Kudu, the different leather and maybe different people involved and different lasting (pulling the leather over the plastic last) create small differences in dimension, which remarkably means that the two identical shoes (Kudu and calf) are more different than I thought in terms of fit and balance.

 

Its the second to last photo that shows what I am disappointed with - the crease and sole is below what I expect for a shoe of that price. Pull that photo up and look carefully - thats not the look of a shoe of this price, is it? Overall I`m happy, but I`m sure there are lots of readers who wonder what a shoe of this price feels like, and I hope my views are honest and frank and taken constructively.


Edited by daizawaguy - 7/22/16 at 6:53pm
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Sorry to see that man me and you went in same batch kudu gmto & I don't have any of those issues but very good review regardless.
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Just to confirm, the Kudu uppers are great, and my comments above is on the standard leathers used. the sole is the same obviously. Sorry if there was confusion. Those Kudu`s must go down as one of the most interesting shoes avaliable following the russian reindeer. Believe GG still have a few left for MTO only through them for those interested. 

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Just to confirm, the Kudu uppers are great, and my comments above is on the standard leathers used. the sole is the same obviously. Sorry if there was confusion. Those Kudu`s must go down as one of the most interesting shoes avaliable following the russian reindeer. Believe GG still have a few left for MTO only through them for those interested. 
I agree so my double leather sole has been good rosewood kudu was my first double leather then follow up with Glenco kudu boot on double leather sole. And I just got Woburn on double leather sole. So I guess I can give you better feed back in few months. I will post pictures tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by daizawaguy View Post
 

As this thread includes reviews in the title, I`d like to give a review of my first wear of the Ishams.

 

The fit is near perfect, and this was already confirmed by my Rosewood Kudu order, and hence my second purchase of the same model. A day in the shoe was absolutely fine, and there was light rain that day. I would no usually take a new shoe out in the rain, but thought it might give the sole a better break-in, and get that first level of finish off more quickly - a good choice, though the uppers didn't get wet. 

 

A couple of small negatives or unexpected things:

 

1. The inside vamp creases very badly, not in a smooth fashion. My feeling is that this is the leathers finish - thinner than I expected and drier upon first wear. Obviously the finishing is top class, but that quickly breaks down, and the tanning reveals a drier and thinner leather than I expected. Not a big issue, and may get better with time, but dissapointing for a shoe of this price. Overall I`ve found the GG leathers dry and takes a polish well, but once you bend the shoe, that cream/polish does not last long. I made a comment before on a gentleman`s shoes who posts here often, the vamps always look dry on GG - this is well confirmed. Polish and cream your shoes, they look beautiful, but take a walk, and that disappears on the creased parts, quicker than on any shoe I`ve had. To me this is a sign of the quality of the leather. GG shoes never keep their polished look. I think daily loads of Saphir creams may well help, but believe its in the tanning and quality of the leathers used frankly.

 

2. The double sole is harder and stiffer than expected (commenting also from my Kudu`s, which I`ve worn for a few months now), but remarkably takes dings and bashes very easily, which leaves marks and dents on the sole. I can only compare to a EG Dover double sole - that was more supple and never took dents - it absorbed them, and returned to normal. GG soles take a dent and keeps it.

 

Overall a great shoe, but for that price I`m expecting a little better quality of leather. CJ hand grade are around half the price, and don't have these issues. A beautifully made and designed shoe, with top machine finish (stitches) with huge fans here, but given the site allows for a review, I thought I`d give my frank opinions. Even thou

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

gh its the same size and last as my Kudu, the different leather and maybe different people involved and different lasting (pulling the leather over the plastic last) create small differences in dimension, which remarkably means that the two identical shoes (Kudu and calf) are more different than I thought in terms of fit and balance.

 

Its the second to last photo that shows what I am disappointed with - the crease and sole is below what I expect for a shoe of that price. Pull that photo up and look carefully - thats not the look of a shoe of this price, is it? Overall I`m happy, but I`m sure there are lots of readers who wonder what a shoe of this price feels like, and I hope my views are honest and frank and taken constructively.

Nice review and beautiful shoes, so congrats!!.  I do not think it is a good idea to take your those leather soles shoes for the first wears with a very light rain outside.  Do not you think that the water could have softened the outsole leather so any small impact would produce those dents ?.  EG and GG use Barker veg leather, dont they?.  What is really weird to me is that big crease on the side of the upper.  

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Thanks for the comments. It was really after rain, and as I said the uppers were untouched. The same thing happened to my Isham's in Kudu tAhat have never been in rain. And the more puzzling and worrying thing is that these dents occurred from my office chair and not on the pavement. They come from no pressure at all just by placing them on the pedestal of a revolving chair. As I said my Kudu Isham's never worn in the rain are exactly the same. This is really surprising and has never happened on any other shoe. There we go....

Correction: thinking over this again - could it have happened climbing up steps? Certainly I didn't use metal escalators so steps maybe the most likely. But the point is this never happens in other shoes and I didn't use my GG in areas I don't use other shoes.
Edited by daizawaguy - 7/23/16 at 5:21am
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I see, I think I misunderstood you.  l.  What do you do you think about the big crease on the side?

 

LL

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Originally Posted by Zapasman View Post
 

I see, I think I misunderstood you.  l.  What do you do you think about the big crease on the side?

 

LL

 

Just means the shoe doesn't fit his arch well.

 

In a less likely scenario given he said the fit is great, this occurs when a shoe is a half size too big. The heel is not in the heelcup properly and thus when taking a step forward, the shoe and sole flexes when it really shouldn't if the heel is in the right spot. It's basically bending from the back when he takes a step forward because the pressure point of the heel doesn't mean the intended heel cup of the last. This has happened to me many times with shoes that were too big. 

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Thanks for the feedback. The funny thing is that my Kudu Isham's don't have that problem, and as I say the shoe fits well. I can post pics comparing but to me the fact that the exact same shoe in the same last but different leather produces this must be the leather and not the fit, with all due respect.
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I have had many shoes that fit me just  .5 size larger and never had such a crease, although I was considering bad fit too.  I was wondering about different thickness of the leather (being thinner on that area?) or some excess of leather due to a bad lasting?.  I am just gambling.

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​G&G Woburn Polo Suede, New addition to the family !!!

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Originally Posted by Zapasman View Post
 

I see, I think I misunderstood you.  l.  What do you do you think about the big crease on the side?

 

LL

Is it on both sides? You may have different sized feet. GG is one of the few amazing retailers who will do different sized shoes. They are truly a pleasure to work with. 

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Is it on both sides? You may have different sized feet. GG is one of the few amazing retailers who will do different sized shoes. They are truly a pleasure to work with. 
Do they do this without charging extra?

I have a fairly significant difference in size between my feet which means all my shoes are a compromise between being too small on the larger foot and to large on the smaller, loafers especially. To be able to have a properly fitting pair without in essence buying two pairs would be nice. It could tip me over the edge into buying a pair of G&Gs

For what it's worth, as you can imagine I am always wearing one shoe that is too big, and I have had creasing like the example above on a couple of pairs - a pair of Loakes and a pair of Cheaneys, but anything with better leather hasn't creased in this way - Edward Greens etc.
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