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Buy both leather and rubber sole problem solved double leather sole last a while get large rotation problem solved. But yes I do agree with what two gents above said it just comes down to your climate & what you do waking etc. But end of a day most ppl who are buying 1200+$ shoes regardless of the brand I am very sure they can afford to repair or just buy new one etc.
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Originally Posted by TtownMD View Post

Buy both leather and rubber sole problem solved double leather sole last a while get large rotation problem solved. But yes I do agree with what two gents above said it just comes down to your climate & what you do waking etc. But end of a day most ppl who are buying 1200+$ shoes regardless of the brand I am very sure they can afford to repair or just buy new one etc.

Sure but being able to afford a repair or replacement isn't the point. We buy GYW or hand welted shoes because of their touted longevity of the leather upper and the construction compared to the shopping mall crap. The idea that I have to spend at least $200 on a closed channel stitch leather resole is outrageous to me, especially when these shoes are supposed to last us many many years.

Sure, using leather is the way it's been done for centuries. But look at that holistically, did Foster & Son, Lobb, Crockett and Jones, or whoever our preferred historically relevant shoemaker is, did they have access to a wensum sole, let alone a rubber sole?

Is a topy so bad that Tony Gaziano himself has said using a rubber topy is the most practical method for longevity of a rubber sole? If a rubber topy is so bad for the insole's breathability and longevity (some say causes to rot faster) then why would any maker use a rubber sole?

There's so much groupthink around this topic it's absurd. I'll take a guess that many of us who buy these shoes have come to a position in our careers that allow us to afford a $1200 shoe. Likely, our respective intelligence has certainly been a factor in propelling us to our respective careers and lives that afford us $1200 shoe. I urge all of you to use that same intelligence and deductive reasoning to evaluate a rubber sole, a leather sole with a topy, and then just a leather sole.
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Originally Posted by rbhan12 View Post

Sure but being able to afford a repair or replacement isn't the point. We buy GYW or hand welted shoes because of their touted longevity of the leather upper and the construction compared to the shopping mall crap. The idea that I have to spend at least $200 on a closed channel stitch leather resole is outrageous to me, especially when these shoes are supposed to last us many many years.

Sure, using leather is the way it's been done for centuries. But look at that holistically, did Foster & Son, Lobb, Crockett and Jones, or whoever our preferred historically relevant shoemaker is, did they have access to a wensum sole, let alone a rubber sole?

Is a topy so bad that Tony Gaziano himself has said using a rubber topy is the most practical method for longevity of a rubber sole? If a rubber topy is so bad for the insole's breathability and longevity (some say causes to rot faster) then why would any maker use a rubber sole?

There's so much groupthink around this topic it's absurd. I'll take a guess that many of us who buy these shoes have come to a position in our careers that allow us to afford a $1200 shoe. Likely, our respective intelligence has certainly been a factor in propelling us to our respective careers and lives that afford us $1200 shoe. I urge all of you to use that same intelligence and deductive reasoning to evaluate a rubber sole, a leather sole with a topy, and then just a leather sole.
Buy shoes according to occasion meaning if I know I will be walking in bad weather or daily commute is going through cobblestone, pavements then yes smart thing would be get Rubber sole. But if you are going to put on topy on all your gg shoes or other higher brand then might as well get a mall brand shoe & save your self lot of money. All I am saying have shoes for different occasion leather sole & rubber sole. But to each there own it comes down to preference, also most ppl who are buying Ferrari are not going to complain about gas & insurance. If a person can't afford it then don't buy it or go different rout like rubber sole.
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Originally Posted by daizawaguy View Post

Sure. I understand where you are coming from on the Wensum sole but although these are top end shoes and very expensive they do have other components that we don't see or don't envisage with shoes of their price - a search on this site shows that they use celastic or another synthetic in the toes and heels. I can tell you about the heel, as my Barclay made my heel bleed at the beginning so much it dug into the heel. That's not a leather enforced cup in the back I can tell you. Also, these are hand held shoes with all machine stitching made on plastic lasts and not hand welted on wooden lasts so having a Wensum sole instead of a leather sole is not dropping in standards I can tell you. Also, a Japanese magazine cut open various shoes and pulled them apart. Photos are available on this forum. What you see may surprise you even for G&G and EG. In fact these two makes don't look any better on the inside than a pair half the price!

Anyway, enough about ranting, as they do look beautiful on the outside and here are my reasons for a wensum- comfort and durability. I can wear a Wensum sole all day and every day in rain and on concrete and the comfort is incredible. I'd say the sole could last 10 years. Do that on a leather sole and see how long that lasts. Sure you can replace the sole, but how many times can you do that before weakened the shoe and leather? A shoe repairer told me only a few times. More than that the upper stitching starts to get weak even rewelted.

On a hand welted bespoke shoe made on a wooden last, I'm leather sole only. But although these shoes are very expensive, I'd say they are top- end machine production style shoes where each person takes it though the largely machine processes by stage. Admittedly by held hand, and sometimes finished by hand but machines play the major role where they can.

The benefits of a Wensum far outweigh the leather IMHO, and I Bet they are not the only synthetic substance in your shoe.

Thanks! As someone very new to world of premium shoes, SF is a great resource for learning and this's no exception. In future, I may consider choosing the wensum option for comfort. But in terms of longevity, anyone that can afford to regularly pay $1200 for one pair of shoes one'd expect to have a large rotation. So factoring in normal wear in city conditions, a resoling or refurbishment at no more once every 4 years (100 wears @*0.5/week) ought not be a deciding factor?

And if your work requires frequent visits to building sites (eg) then wouldn't more appropriate footwear choices be in order? And if the sole is subject to abnormal wear, then the chances is that the leather uppers is not spared. In that case, it's unlikely the upper will last 4-5 resoling.
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Originally Posted by TtownMD View Post

Buy both leather and rubber sole problem solved double leather sole last a while get large rotation problem solved. But yes I do agree with what two gents above said it just comes down to your climate & what you do waking etc. But end of a day most ppl who are buying 1200+$ shoes regardless of the brand I am very sure they can afford to repair or just buy new one etc.

There's been countless discussion around resoling on this forum. As someone new, I'm amazed at how many ppl with vast collection of top-end shoes refrain from factory refurbishment due to cost. If you're going to buy a Ferrari, do you service with non-genuine parts?
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Originally Posted by TtownMD View Post

Buy shoes according to occasion meaning if I know I will be walking in bad weather or daily commute is going through cobblestone, pavements then yes smart thing would be get Rubber sole. But if you are going to put on topy on all your gg shoes or other higher brand then might as well get a mall brand shoe & save your self lot of money. All I am saying have shoes for different occasion leather sole & rubber sole. But to each there own it comes down to preference, also most ppl who are buying Ferrari are not going to complain about gas & insurance. If a person can't afford it then don't buy it or go different rout like rubber sole.

LOL. Really? No difference between a mall brand shoe and a G&G with toppies? I beg to differ but to each their own.

Tell me....how long do the leather soles stay showroom pretty versus sidewalk beaten?

And just because Ferrari drivers can probably afford the insurance doesn't mean that they run their cars through whatever shit they come across without taking further precautions.
Edited by justonemore - 6/9/16 at 3:14am
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Originally Posted by benf View Post

There's been countless discussion around resoling on this forum. As someone new, I'm amazed at how many ppl with vast collection of top-end shoes refrain from factory refurbishment due to cost. If you're going to buy a Ferrari, do you service with non-genuine parts?

If you drive a Ferrari in the u.s. do you send it back to Italy for regular maintenance or use the guy down the street that's been certified to do so? There are plenty of people with just as much skill, knowledge, and passion as those working in G&Gs manufacturing plant...but you for some reason assume an inferior job? What are the odds that your shoes will become lost or damaged in transit if you drive them over to the local guy versus shipping them overseas to England? You probably have to ship a lot of shoes to develop any type of relationship with
G&G. And of course G^G handles only G&G..so any immediate issues can be shipped to Northampton where you'll take your place in a 2 month line. If EG Fs up...you're back to square one..and of course you're not dealing with anyone face to face...
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There are plenty of people with just as much skill, knowledge, and passion as those working in G&Gs manufacturing plant...Quote:
Originally Posted by justonemore View Post


If you drive a Ferrari in the u.s. do you send it back to Italy for regular maintenance or use the guy down the street that's been certified to do so? There are plenty of people with just as much skill, knowledge, and passion as those working in G&Gs manufacturing plant...but you for some reason assume an inferior job? What are the odds that your shoes will become lost or damaged in transit if you drive them over to the local guy versus shipping them overseas to England? You probably have to ship a lot of shoes to develop any type of relationship with
G&G. And of course G^G handles only G&G..so any immediate issues can be shipped to Northampton where you'll take your place in a 2 month line. If EG Fs up...you're back to square one..and of course you're not dealing with anyone face to face...

you're tripping mate

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Originally Posted by EdwMicInAus View Post

you're tripping mate

Indeed...only a couple hundred guys know how handle high end shoes and they all work for G&G...

And the most hilarious part...unless I'm sadly mistaken...Other than JM Weston, no one actually makes their own soles and does their own tanning anyways.
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Strands in espresso calf

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Why groupthinking?.  I think we all have enough experience with shoes to know our needs and preferences to make a personal opinion as I made before. I am not against rubber soles nor I think there is a groupthinking in favor of rubber soles, but I prefer much more top leather soles specially at those prices. The only  objective issue here is that rubber soles shoes should be cheaper than those top quality leather soles with an expert tanning process that takes more than 6-9 month. Rubber soles do not have the same appeal to anyone? and look cheaper even for boots, but this is again a subjective point.

 

One final thought; I do nor understand why people living in bad condition weathers or must walk long distances do not buy more cheaper  good shoes with rubber soles that fit  for their rotation. They would safe much trouble and money. Its like using an Audi  to go into the snow and muddy terrains every day or to be much worry about the prices of best tires to get your car from Spain to New Zealand .:facepalm:

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Why groupthinking?.  I think we all have enough experience with shoes to know our needs and preferences to make a personal opinion as I made before.

Agreed. Similar to my feelings about Vass.

"Vass: Tretchery from fit to finish, rubbish throughout."

"Vass: Because dropping the V would have let nothing to the imagination."
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Originally Posted by MrVenneri View Post

Agreed. Similar to my feelings about Vass.

"Vass: Tretchery from fit to finish, rubbish throughout."

"Vass: Because dropping the V would have let nothing to the imagination."[/Quote

Love the venom. Keep it coming. Lol. I'm still going to try Vass for myself one of these days though...
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Originally Posted by MrVenneri View Post


Agreed. Similar to my feelings about Vass.

"Vass: Tretchery from fit to finish, rubbish throughout."

"Vass: Because dropping the V would have let nothing to the imagination."

Oh yes, very similar. 

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Originally Posted by Zapasman View Post

Why groupthinking?.  I think we all have enough experience with shoes to know our needs and preferences to make a personal opinion as I made before. I am not against rubber soles nor I think there is a groupthinking in favor of rubber soles, but I prefer much more top leather soles specially at those prices. The only  objective issue here is that rubber soles shoes should be cheaper than those top quality leather soles with an expert tanning process that takes more than 6-9 month. Rubber soles do not have the same appeal to anyone? and look cheaper even for boots, but this is again a subjective point.

One final thought; I do nor understand why people living in bad condition weathers or must walk long distances do not buy more cheaper  good shoes with rubber soles that fit  for their rotation. They would safe much trouble and money. Its like using an Audi  to go into the snow and muddy terrains every day or to be much worry about the prices of best tires to get your car from Spain to New Zealand .facepalm.gif

Because a G&G is still a nice looking shoe no matter what is on the bottom of it? When I'm walking I'm usually staring at the tops of my shoes...not the bottom....and the few moments in time that I see a toppy over a mangled piece of leather hasn't really bothered me that much. Again...I buy my shoes on sale..I don't decide leather over rubber...I have tried toppies on 3 pairs so far...and I have to say that when it comes to wear and traction I have noticed a considerable difference. . I got less considerably less than 500 wears on my EG Newmarket's...that's less than a year and a quarter lifetime. I'll be counting with the toppies...if they run considerably long and provide stability, then I'm sticking with them...if not I'll get them resoled to original factory form. No harm no foul. But at the moment I can't say I am find much negative about them beyond a perceived aesthetic difference.
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