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I've been looking at a Barclay for some time (Chestnut Hatch with some burnishing; Wensum sole; MH71).

 

For this model, would it be best to go my normal MH71 size (as if I was buying an oxford)? With it being a non-lace up I'm not sure if I will need to adjust my size slightly.

Has anyone with a Barclay (or similar model - e.g. Chelsea, Chester etc) found it a different fit? 

 

Any advice would be much appreciated.


I found the fit the same as my Isham MH 71, but you will find the photo interesting compared to a Harrow...

 

 

My Barclays have a wen sum sole. All the shoes are 8 1/2E in the photos.

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I found the fit the same as my Isham MH 71, but you will find the photo interesting compared to a Harrow...

 

 

My Barclays have a wen sum sole. All the shoes are 8 1/2E in the photos.

 

Thanks for sharing.

Those pictures are interesting - do you notice a difference in fit between any of the three at all?

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The Barclay on square toe 73 fit close to my Isham on 71, and the Harrow on 71 is tighter (not so much in toe, but the foot falls in a different way, and from the photos you will notice less room overall). I would not say one needs a different size though, just to be aware your foot will sit in a different way, if that makes sense. I`m not sure how much the wen sum sole on the Barclay, or Double sole on the Isham account for this difference, but this may well play a role.

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Does anyone have a direct email for someone at G&G. I sent a message to the general inquiries email with no response several weeks ago. I'd like to send my westminsters in for a recraft. Thanks.
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Does anyone have a direct email for someone at G&G. I sent a message to the general inquiries email with no response several weeks ago. I'd like to send my westminsters in for a recraft. Thanks.
Message there sale department they have gotten back to me with in half an hour each time.
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Message there sale department they have gotten back to me with in half an hour each time.

Thanks!
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I had to go up a half a size on TG73 from all other G&G lasts.
I take the same size in GG06, MH71, DG70 and KN 14.
TG73 was just too tight for me in the toe box. If I had to do it over I would take the same size in TG73 but in wider fitting.

 

 

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I found the fit the same as my Isham MH 71, but you will find the photo interesting compared to a Harrow...

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

 

My Barclays have a wen sum sole. All the shoes are 8 1/2E in the photos.

 

 

Thank you both for your insights!

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Thanks!
Also if you are from US please share the cost for full refurbish your shoe.
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Also if you are from US please share the cost for full refurbish your shoe.
I'm from Aust. Quoted £275 plus £50 for postage.
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I'm from Aust. Quoted £275 plus £50 for postage.
Not bad at all thx you for sharing.
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Does anyone have a direct email for someone at G&G. I sent a message to the general inquiries email with no response several weeks ago. I'd like to send my westminsters in for a recraft. Thanks.
Neus at the Saville Row store provides great customer service and is very responsive.
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I found the fit the same as my Isham MH 71, but you will find the photo interesting compared to a Harrow...





My Barclays have a wen sum sole. All the shoes are 8 1/2E in the photos.
May I ask what's your reason for choosing the wensum sole? I can't get over the 'hurdle' of purchasing GG (or EG) on anything other than single leather sole. This's the reason why I passed over a pair of new Burnham (Rioja hatch grain) on wensum despite the discount. And it's also the reason why i favour the Hove/Isham over the EG Dover.

For me, the premium workmanship and quality that we associated with premium makers extend to the sole as well as leather uppers, fit etc.

Note: I'm a not a fan of dainite but completely understand why it's appropriate for certain conditions. Wensum or double leather not so sure.
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Sure. I understand where you are coming from on the Wensum sole but although these are top end shoes and very expensive they do have other components that we don't see or don't envisage with shoes of their price - a search on this site shows that they use celastic or another synthetic in the toes and heels. I can tell you about the heel, as my Barclay made my heel bleed at the beginning so much it dug into the heel. That's not a leather enforced cup in the back I can tell you. Also, these are hand held shoes with all machine stitching made on plastic lasts and not hand welted on wooden lasts so having a Wensum sole instead of a leather sole is not dropping in standards I can tell you. Also, a Japanese magazine cut open various shoes and pulled them apart. Photos are available on this forum. What you see may surprise you even for G&G and EG. In fact these two makes don't look any better on the inside than a pair half the price!

Anyway, enough about ranting, as they do look beautiful on the outside and here are my reasons for a wensum- comfort and durability. I can wear a Wensum sole all day and every day in rain and on concrete and the comfort is incredible. I'd say the sole could last 10 years. Do that on a leather sole and see how long that lasts. Sure you can replace the sole, but how many times can you do that before weakened the shoe and leather? A shoe repairer told me only a few times. More than that the upper stitching starts to get weak even rewelted.

On a hand welted bespoke shoe made on a wooden last, I'm leather sole only. But although these shoes are very expensive, I'd say they are top- end machine production style shoes where each person takes it though the largely machine processes by stage. Admittedly by held hand, and sometimes finished by hand but machines play the major role where they can.

The benefits of a Wensum far outweigh the leather IMHO, and I Bet they are not the only synthetic substance in your shoe.
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A latex sponge shock absorber! Horror!!
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Additionally the wensum sole is quite thin, very durable, and provides great traction. Why even bother with leather soles that 1) get worn down away at the toe because they're stiff and don't flex well initially (sure get toe taps but why pay extra) 2) can't be worn in any sort of adverse weather 3) are quite slippery 4) get worn down requiring a resole.

I'm paying $1200+ for shoes that need to be repaired after (let's be generous here) 100 wears for ~$400? And leather sole is better because "it's the right way to wear dress shoes", someone on a forum says so, it's better for your insole, or what shoemakers have been doing for centuries? Groupthink at its finest.
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