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Kind of makes me wonder if the Walkton actually has the minimum of 6 that it needs yet.
I would like to know that as well. If I had to take a guess I would say 3 to 4 for sure
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I would like to know that as well. If I had to take a guess I would say 3 to 4 for sure

Usually @Leaves won't post a GMTO until he believes he has the minimum.

Oh well, good news is the St James II in Kudu and Cedar Calf should be here in October. Yes!!!
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Usually @Leaves won't post a GMTO until he believes he has the minimum.

Oh well, good news is the St James II in Kudu and Cedar Calf should be here in October. Yes!!!
Yes enjoy them that is my one regret lol because I am huge fan of st James 2 & not much experience with kudu but went with one Isham kudu
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That's small comfort to those of us taking outlying widths as there generally aren't enough to subscribe a single GMTO makeup.

Moreover, the policy itself makes no sense to me. they allow different sizes, why not different widths - particularly if yoy have a single width fully subscribed? Where is the extra cost or effort on their part? You still have to use different lasts for shoes of different sizes - so where is the greater effort in grabbing the same last in a different width? I might be missing something so somebody clue me in if I am.

I'm still getting an EG vibe. Next we'll hear no GMTOs at all.

 

 

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Your right I don't get it either, but then again there maybe something more to this that a lay person such as I just isn't aware of.


The problem is that they have patterns to cut the leather for each last and length but all in E width. Whenever someone in a different width makes an order, they have to make a new pattern to fit on the last with the altered proportions of the leather pieces so the shoe looks the same. That takes time to do and sometimes takes trial and error if it is extremely wide or narrow. Dean Girling told me this directly a while back. 

 

That is why the brands usually just have different widths as a single MTO so the added cost pays for the extra work involved. In cases with the GMTO, the factory line isn't as disrupted because so many shoes are being made the same way at once and it isn't as big of a deal to add in some extra widths, especially if a pattern has already been made for the last, size, width combo for that same style. They probably are just noticing that the profit margins are lower in these cases and just want to avoid it now if they are trying to up their production numbers. 

 

It is a shame for us, but I am hoping that since there are many of us on here who buy a ton of shoes, they they will think about the number of sales they get from us through these GMTOs. 

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I would like to know that as well. If I had to take a guess I would say 3 to 4 for sure


I was told by Gabriel last week that it was already at 4-5 pairs. Since it is still on the Skoak site, there definitely is not 8 yet. But that means that if anyone still wants in, they can jump on it still!

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Yes enjoy them that is my one regret lol because I am huge fan of st James 2 & not much experience with kudu but went with one Isham kudu

Normally I would say the St James in Kudu and Calf would probably be the shoe of the year for me, but this year has been a better year than most. This year it's just one of a few other real great shoes I think I've been able to get.
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The problem is that they have patterns to cut the leather for each last and length but all in E width. Whenever someone in a different width makes an order, they have to make a new pattern to fit on the last with the altered proportions of the leather pieces so the shoe looks the same. That takes time to do and sometimes takes trial and error if it is extremely wide or narrow. Dean Girling told me this directly a while back. 

That is why the brands usually just have different widths as a single MTO so the added cost pays for the extra work involved. In cases with the GMTO, the factory line isn't as disrupted because so many shoes are being made the same way at once and it isn't as big of a deal to add in some extra widths, especially if a pattern has already been made for the last, size, width combo for that same style. They probably are just noticing that the profit margins are lower in these cases and just want to avoid it now if they are trying to up their production numbers. 

It is a shame for us, but I am hoping that since there are many of us on here who buy a ton of shoes, they they will think about the number of sales they get from us through these GMTOs. 
The one part I'm still confused about here, is that GMTO's are still pitched as "same width for all pairs", when it looks like it should really be "E width for all pairs". That seems to be the only part that conflicts with the info Dean has told you, and maybe It should be made clear that all GMTOs need to be in E width, period.

The explaination seems fair, but I would appreciate clarification on the GMTO policy...
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Originally Posted by dddrees View Post

Normally I would say the St James in Kudu and Calf would probably be the shoe of the year for me, but this year has been a better year than most. This year it's just one of a few other real great shoes I think I've been able to get.
I am glad & I am happy for you bud. In past three months I have learned so much about shoes not only from you but from other ppl also. mw313 & you have been very helpful I also have bought too many shoes lol but no regrets & I do want you to know I do enjoy EG & G&G & other very much. See I have average foot so I have been taking normal width 8.5 on all brand accept G&G which I take 9 biggrin.gif
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The one part I'm still confused about here, is that GMTO's are still pitched as "same width for all pairs", when it looks like it should really be "E width for all pairs". That seems to be the only part that conflicts with the info Dean has told you, and maybe It should be made clear that all GMTOs need to be in E width, period.

The explaination seems fair, but I would appreciate clarification on the GMTO policy...


I'm sure Skoak will let us know all of the set details after it is further clarified to them. 

 

Yes E for all pairs makes more sense, but maybe they will also do it if all are in F, etc. I know that will never happen for my narrow width so it is irrelevant for me unless I can just be added to a GMTO again, even if i have to pay a small premium for their time that isn't as much as the normal MTO fee. 

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I am glad & I am happy for you bud. In past three months I have learned so much about shoes not only from you but from other ppl also. mw313 & you have been very helpful I also have bought too many shoes lol but no regrets & I do want you to know I do enjoy EG & G&G & other very much. See I have average foot so I have been taking normal width 8.5 on all brand accept G&G which I take 9 biggrin.gif


No problem at all. We love to teach others when we can and I have learned a ton on here over the years too! 

 

All that matters is that we all find shoes that we like and can appreciate! We are really more of a team than anything because there aren't that many of us in the high end shoes like this compared to the other types. 

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The problem is that they have patterns to cut the leather for each last and length but all in E width. Whenever someone in a different width makes an order, they have to make a new pattern to fit on the last with the altered proportions of the leather pieces so the shoe looks the same. That takes time to do and sometimes takes trial and error if it is extremely wide or narrow. Dean Girling told me this directly a while back. 

That is why the brands usually just have different widths as a single MTO so the added cost pays for the extra work involved. In cases with the GMTO, the factory line isn't as disrupted because so many shoes are being made the same way at once and it isn't as big of a deal to add in some extra widths, especially if a pattern has already been made for the last, size, width combo for that same style. They probably are just noticing that the profit margins are lower in these cases and just want to avoid it now if they are trying to up their production numbers. 

It is a shame for us, but I am hoping that since there are many of us on here who buy a ton of shoes, they they will think about the number of sales they get from us through these GMTOs. 

Just a guess but disruptions generally aren't as big an inconvenience in the beginning especially when your not running at capacity. Once you get close to hitting your capacity they generally become a bigger inconvenience. Also it's not until you start going through the motions of a program that you start finding out what kind of problems there are with a process and adjustments need to be made.
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Hearing some potential Gable deco love as a potential GMTO? Might this happen Nick?
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But a straight cap like this one I'd had originally made up by Nick? I'd be down for it in any colour
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   as nice as the Burnham & Cliffe are, in case this materializes, I'll jump that EXACT Gable makeup immediatly

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I agree, that Gable looks Sweeeeeeeet!!!
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New to these parts so will introduce myself via some pictures of my St. James II in Vintage Cherry.

 

I have been lurking on this thread for a while now and have learnt a lot as a result. Bought these last December and have well and truly got the G&G bug. To me 90% of their shoes are more elegant than their competitors without looking like they are trying too hard to be different for differences sake.

 

Currently have on order Holden in Black Deco Calf with the bleached toe and heel counters on the pointed Deco last which should be with me in time for my birthday (December). They haven't been on order 1 month yet and I am already impatient. To say I am excited is an understatement. :bounce2:

 

Looking forward to constructive advice with future purchases and speaking with people who appreciate quality.

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

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New to these parts so will introduce myself via some pictures of my St. James II in Vintage Cherry.

I have been lurking on this thread for a while now and have learnt a lot as a result. Bought these last December and have well and truly got the G&G bug. To me 90% of their shoes are more elegant than their competitors without looking like they are trying too hard to be different for differences sake.

Currently have on order Holden in Black Deco Calf with the bleached toe and heel counters on the pointed Deco last which should be with me in time for my birthday (December). They haven't been on order 1 month yet and I am already impatient. To say I am excited is an understatement. bounce2.gif

Looking forward to constructive advice with future purchases and speaking with people who appreciate quality.

Cheers.









Very nice, if you are not opposed to boots, I would recommend that you consider G&G Burnham model.
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Originally Posted by Steven Cash View Post
 

New to these parts so will introduce myself via some pictures of my St. James II in Vintage Cherry.

 

I have been lurking on this thread for a while now and have learnt a lot as a result. Bought these last December and have well and truly got the G&G bug. To me 90% of their shoes are more elegant than their competitors without looking like they are trying too hard to be different for differences sake.

 

Currently have on order Holden in Black Deco Calf with the bleached toe and heel counters on the pointed Deco last which should be with me in time for my birthday (December). They haven't been on order 1 month yet and I am already impatient. To say I am excited is an understatement. :bounce2:

 

Looking forward to constructive advice with future purchases and speaking with people who appreciate quality.

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great choice, Congrats!!!

 

 

By the way G&G GOOD, EG BAD!! LOL

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