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post #16996 of 21771
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Originally Posted by TtownMD View Post

That is not true at least the trees I bought from Leffot said each tree is made for individual last and it's not dark color. But I just tried what you said, meaning Tg73 shoe tree on my G&G shoe that is on different last it's not fully filling the shoe out. Not saying you are wrong I am just sharing my experience. For what's it's worth I also emailed soak about it and they replied the new trees are not lasted but they are cut to accommodate the last individually. Meaning TG73 tree is cut & fill tg73 last & so on.

I believe you, however in old days G&G offered natural lasted shoe trees too. It is possible that Leffot still has old stock shoe trees.

These from Dandy Shoe care site are for example natural shoe trees made for specifically GG06 last.
take a look at the bottom of the shoe tree and you will see marking for size, width and last


You can see more here
http://dandyshoecare.tumblr.com/post/121002168250/gaziano-girling-shoe-trees
post #16997 of 21771
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Originally Posted by laufer View Post

I think that is correct. All new G&G shoe trees are essentially built on MH71 last and they can fit all other G&G lasts.
Old shoe trees were last specific. For example the shoe trees I have for DG70 last would not fit MH71 lasted shoes. I know I have tried.

I wonder if DG70 would fit the TG73 as they're both considered the "longer" lasts...
post #16998 of 21771
Good to know well for what's it's worth when I bought ST 2 James pearl grey I asked for lasted shoe tree from soak. They reply & said now days G&G shoe trees are not lasted but they are cut to the last meaning it will accommodate each last accordingly but only difference is that toe box is same on all the shoe tree. But rest is different to accommodate last to last.
post #16999 of 21771
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Originally Posted by TtownMD View Post

That is not true at least the trees I bought from Leffot said each tree is made for individual last and it's not dark color. But I just tried what you said, meaning Tg73 shoe tree on my G&G shoe that is on different last it's not fully filling the shoe out. Not saying you are wrong I am just sharing my experience. For what's it's worth I also emailed soak about it and they replied the new trees are not lasted but they are cut to accommodate the last individually. Meaning TG73 tree is cut & fill tg73 last & so on.

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Originally Posted by laufer View Post

I think that is correct. All new G&G shoe trees are essentially built on MH71 last and they can fit all other G&G lasts.
Old shoe trees were last specific. For example the shoe trees I have for DG70 last would not fit MH71 lasted shoes. I know I have tried.

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Originally Posted by laufer View Post

The old G&G shoe trees were last specific, for example shoe trees for last TG73 were made to fit that last. New G&G shoe trees are generic in the term that one shoe tree can fit any of G&G lasts.
Here is the example of TG73 lasted shoe trees
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Here is another example of GG06 lasted shoe trees

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Originally Posted by dalevy View Post

What do you mean by "generic lasted"?  I'm not understanding why any tree would fit better than a lasted shoe tree.  I have one of the new ones (non-laquered), seems to fit perfectly.

I agree with your statements re EG trees.  I have one branded EG trees and the woodlore of the equivalent ones from hanger project are very similar.

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Originally Posted by TtownMD View Post

Good to know well for what's it's worth when I bought ST 2 James pearl grey I asked for lasted shoe tree from soak. They reply & said now days G&G shoe trees are not lasted but they are cut to the last meaning it will accommodate each last accordingly but only difference is that toe box is same on all the shoe tree. But rest is different to accommodate last to last.

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Originally Posted by laufer View Post

I believe you, however in old days G&G offered natural lasted shoe trees too. It is possible that Leffot still has old stock shoe trees.

These from Dandy Shoe care site are for example natural shoe trees made for specifically GG06 last.
take a look at the bottom of the shoe tree and you will see marking for size, width and last


You can see more here
http://dandyshoecare.tumblr.com/post/121002168250/gaziano-girling-shoe-trees


Like Laufer said, new trees are close to lasted but not to specific lasts. Natural color and red I think for in store purchases

New trees just say sizes and width, no last



Old trees show size, width and last. Definitely different and better fitting



This is just from personal experience, I don't speak for G&G nor stores. Old and new trees both fit shoes well and significantly better than a JAB type tree. If I get opportunity to buy old lasted trees on eBay I'd take them over new trees.
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Like Laufer said, new trees are close to lasted but not to specific lasts. Natural color and red I think for in store purchases

New trees just say sizes and width, no last



Old trees show size, width and last. Definitely different and better fitting



This is just from personal experience, I don't speak for G&G nor stores. Old and new trees both fit shoes well and significantly better than a JAB type tree. If I get opportunity to buy old lasted trees on eBay I'd take them over new trees.[/quote]

Speaking of which, did you sell these 10.5 E GG06 shoe trees?
post #17001 of 21771
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Originally Posted by TtownMD View Post

Good to know well for what's it's worth when I bought ST 2 James pearl grey I asked for lasted shoe tree from soak. They reply & said now days G&G shoe trees are not lasted but they are cut to the last meaning it will accommodate each last accordingly but only difference is that toe box is same on all the shoe tree. But rest is different to accommodate last to last.
That's pretty much my experience, with both G&G and EG trees. They fit quite well and I'm on the camp that has a tree for each shoe.

I need to unload some shoes though...moving has definitely put things into perspective. satisfied.gif
post #17002 of 21771
Sold sorry
post #17003 of 21771
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Originally Posted by stevent View Post

Skoab shoe trees fit better than the new generic lasted G&G trees for me. They fit a little big though in my experience, size 9 Skoab fits 9.5F G&G well. EG I find their trees fit better but woodlore epics work almost as well (90% or so, vamp not filled out as well as an EG tree).



My mindset is if you can afford $1k for shoes you can afford $100-175 for trees. Edit and having no 9.5% sales tax is already covering the shoe tree cost anyways

 



Affordability and value assessment are two different questions, IMO. No dipute that a buyer of $1k-plus shoes can likely afford $175 trees. But whether those $175 trees represent good value for money is a separate question upon which views may differ. I won't spend money on $175 trees if I don't see the value, even though I can afford them.

Laufer's point about the new trees not being crafted to match specific lasts tends to reinforce my view that they do not represent good value. If fit is advanced as the paramount justification for the extra cost, the force of that claim is substantially diminished if we are not speaking of last-specific trees.
post #17004 of 21771
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Skoab shoe trees fit better than the new generic lasted G&G trees for me. They fit a little big though in my experience, size 9 Skoab fits 9.5F G&G well. EG I find their trees fit better but woodlore epics work almost as well (90% or so, vamp not filled out as well as an EG tree).



My mindset is if you can afford $1k for shoes you can afford $100-175 for trees. Edit and having no 9.5% sales tax is already covering the shoe tree cost anyways

 



Affordability and value assessment are two different questions, IMO. No dipute that a buyer of $1k-plus shoes can likely afford $175 trees. But whether those $175 trees represent good value for money is a separate question upon which views may differ. I won't spend money on $175 trees if I don't see the value, even though I can afford them.

 

You said that much better than I was going to. Thanks, Rog.

post #17005 of 21771
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Originally Posted by SuitedDx View Post

That's pretty much my experience, with both G&G and EG trees. They fit quite well and I'm on the camp that has a tree for each shoe.

I need to unload some shoes though...moving has definitely put things into perspective. satisfied.gif
I am glad you prove what I said that's the same thing I was told by soak gents
post #17006 of 21771
RogerP what you said makes sense and I am on board with you. But from my understanding & what soak team told me each last is cut to accommodate different last & only similarity they all have in common is same toe box area.
post #17007 of 21771
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Originally Posted by TtownMD View Post

RogerP what you said makes sense and I am on board with you. But from my understanding & what soak team told me each last is cut to accommodate different last & only similarity they all have in common is same toe box area.

 



That's odd, because IME the toe box is the greatest area of differentiation in fit between the G&G lasts that I have sampled.

In any event - I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from getting the OE trees if that is what they want to do. I'm merely explaining why I choose not to, going forward.
post #17008 of 21771
G&G trees are still lasted. It's worth noting at this point that all G&G Lasts (except the Deco lasts) were originally based on the MH71 and only the toe-box was changed to form each shape. The trees used to have matching toe shapes to each one where now they have the same toe shape which is similar to MH71. This really doesn't matter because the shoes have stiffeners in the toes which keep that shape anyway. The rest of the tree is lasted for perfect fit which some generic trees may work with and others will not. Incorrect trees can make any shoes look blobby and a strange shape. One reason we all love viewing photos of G&G shoes online is the shapely features and lines. This can be lost with incorrect trees and make them look odd.
The Deco trees do have a sleeker toe shape to keep it separate to the other trees.
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post #17009 of 21771
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Originally Posted by Nick A View Post

G&G trees are still lasted. It's worth noting at this point that all G&G Lasts (except the Deco lasts) were originally based on the MH71 and only the toe-box was changed to form each shape. The trees used to have matching toe shapes to each one where now they have the same toe shape which is similar to MH71. This really doesn't matter because the shoes have stiffeners in the toes which keep that shape anyway. The rest of the tree is lasted for perfect fit which some generic trees may work with and others will not. Incorrect trees can make any shoes look blobby and a strange shape. One reason we all love viewing photos of G&G shoes online is the shapely features and lines. This can be lost with incorrect trees and make them look odd.
The Deco trees do have a sleeker toe shape to keep it separate to the other trees.
Thank you sir that's what I was also told !!
post #17010 of 21771
The GG tree or generic tree debate is a simple one for me.

GG will make a G width tree for me. Not some good enough E width fitting tree that i can buy RTW, or some split toe throw away that just don't due. So for me, I'll be glad to pay for the lasted GG trees in my width, regardless of what amalgamated toe they decide to put on it now...
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