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recent arrive yesterday. Thorpe on GG06 in Tan Kudu


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Yes that might be true. but another style on the same type of last should fit just about the same, if not exactly the same (given, of course that it's the same kind of footwear like shoes or boots). My experience in G&G is exactly this, each pair I've owned on the same type of last fits just about the same, if not exactly so.

 

As someone pointed out earlier, it is completely unrealistic to demand that a retailer should be able to stock every style, in every last, in every size and in every width. In the case of G&G for example, such a stock would not take a normal sized store, but a big warehouse. And, as I just said above, such a stock would still only be overkill since it's unnecessary. 

 

No.  Same last, different pattern/lacing/knot, fit will be different.

 

Plain toe fits easier than wing tip, which fits easier than cap toes.  seamless heel fits easier than heels with counter pieces.  Bluchers fit easier than oxfords.  Criss cross lacing fits easier than european bar lacings.  Granny knot fits easier than balanced knot, which fits easier than double knot.

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No.  Same last, different pattern/lacing/knot, fit will be different.

 

Plain toe fits easier than wing tip, which fits easier than cap toes.  seamless heel fits easier than heels with counter pieces.  Bluchers fit easier than oxfords.  Criss cross lacing fits easier than european bar lacings.  Granny knot fits easier than balanced knot, which fits easier than double knot.

 

As I said, fit will be "just about the same". Anyway, that's my (humble) experience. I guess it all comes down to what "just about" means. Let's not split hairs.

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Did we ever find out what other Kudu colors are available? Or what other exotic hides?

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Did we ever find out what other Kudu colors are available? Or what other exotic hides?

Not yet on the Kudu. There is a tan and supposed to be a grey. Still awaiting confirmation on the grey.

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For those in New York, Bergdorf Goodman have a black pair of Rothchild's in 9.5e for $730
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This is a slippery slope of broken dreams my friend, return if you are unsure. Too many costly mistakes in my own past where I tried to justify a fit that just was not right.

I saw your other post in the Skoak thread. Try a wide if you can, and ask Skoak their input. Good luck to you...


Thanks. Yes, not an easy one. I can fit good in the Carmina Rain 11UK, even the Sinatra TG73 11.5UK E, but for some reason those feel tighter. Even around the ball of the foot. The width of my foot is 11.7cm so not sure if that makes me an F width.

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This +1000. Bear in mind you're trying to find a fit on a stock size that is a best compromise - in my case, my preferred fit of 9.5E is slightly too narrow in the ankle area and I would LOVE the instep to be more accommodating to my very high insteps. But it fits at the ball of the foot and minimises the "bubble" over my toes when the shoe flexes and stretches over time, which for me is worth sacrificing for - initially I hated the snugness, closure at the instep out of the box was the be-all-and-end-all, and to get it I went a full size up eh.gif. You can see the result of my tomfoolery (in my defense, this was back in the days before I could walk into the Savile Row store and try on fits to my heart's content - and when bonuses could be fully realised on shoes rather than kid eek.gif) in my signature below.

So if you're not sure, trust me - it's well worth the additional investment to get input on different fits until you've nailed it down.

All I can say that after 2 hrs of wearing them while sitting, the feet hurt a bit, and even around the ball of the foot. But not sure if that's normal and if it will relax a bit. I'm def afraid to go F width and then too become too loose. I already went up .5 in my size to accommodate for that.


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http://www.styleforum.net/t/236162/gaziano-girling-appreciation-shoe-appreciation-theard/15360#post_7860245

See my above post.

Your shoes look like a MH71 last ?

I do "feel for you" in this respect in trying to find that best fit and so agree with JubeiSpiegel on his last comment.
I took a day out and visited Nic at Bespoke and spent few hrs trying and discussing then wondering around the beautiful village. (London being too far and too expensive) 

Once you know your last and size keep with it... because that is what fits...and remember that leather does stretch and the last thing you want is an expensive pair of shoes with a sloppy fit. When  i received my TG73 St James 2  in my normal UK9 E fit, i had difficulty breaking them in to the point of almost regret. I wore them around the house and ventured out for 30 min or so for over 2 weeks. It took some time before they broke in and now they are great snug fit.... and i almost dont notice they are on my feet.

FYI.. out of the box, they too laced up similar to yours but after many outings they now lace up as they should because the leather stretched.
Take not that if you go too wide, they will crease and become sloppy around the narrow waist and you will be able to put a few finders down the side of the shoe which looks ugly.

So, there it is... so i hear what you are saying. Ive been there done it.
   
It reminds me of the first time i bought my "expensive pair of shoes " being Loake 1880 Chester's.
In the shop, i could barely fit into a 9 and i though that i would never be able to wear them... and the lady did tell me that they would stretch.
I purchased a 9.5. After 6~8 months they stretched so much that i need an insole + thick sock.


For me, the MH71 last is the more roomier fit and a Derby shoe is even more relaxed over the Oxford.

In the end, you have to bite the bullet and find out what will and what will not fit you.

Hope this helps.

It def helps, thank you.

yes, the MH71 last which is strange cause it fits a bit different than my TG73 in same size. Will def have to visit Nick in the future.

But how bad did they hurt the first time you had them on? Like painful to the point you had to take them off? Mine seem to hurt also at the top and around the ball. The toes are fairly okay, only on my right foot I feel two of them touching too close, but nothing that I can't bear.

I think being an Oxford, the St James in MH71 is a bit tighter around the ball due to the cap toe. But maybe I'm wrong.

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^ All great advice, and I truly feel for @blue2007 as he searches for the right answer. I'd just like to echo a few things. A sloppy fit can be almost as bad as one which is too tight. The end result is a bad fit that just wears and looks extremely bad. I can't stand the feeling one gets from swimming around in sloppy fitting shoes. It certainly appears from here that this issue only affects one foot but this is fairly typical as most of us have one foot which is bigger than the other. Hard to say if this shoe will stretch enough so that you'll no longer experience any pain. Generally for me if its snug the stretch after breaking in solves this issue and my shoes are fairly comfortable moving forward. if it causes pain with regards to being to tight then generally the shoe does not stretch to the point where they become comfortable. It's just too bad that most of us that in store comparisons for these shoes can be a bit difficult to do, but even then sometimes certain Lasts just don't work as well for some as they do others.

As mentioned you may want to consult Skoak and get their advice as well.

My biggest fear is to be afraid to wear my shoes cause they hurt smile.gif So not sure what's best, a looser fit or one super tight. Can you wear your shoes for a full day of walking around? Let's say more than 8 hrs?



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I feel your pain. I have a high instep as well. As long as the rest of the shoe fits well, I can't worry about the lacing gap. It just is what it is. I would not sacrifice fit by getting a wider size just to attempt to close the gap. 

That being said....these pics do not look bad at all. I would be quite happy with a gap like that. I never expect my shoes to close up like they do in the press shots with shoe trees in them. Although they do for some lucky bastards. haha

High instep sucks smile.gif Almost impossible to find good RTW shoes. The rest fits good, the heel, the toe, but as I said above, it's tight around the ball to the point it makes my skin redish after I take them off. So I know a lot of pressure was applied.

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Agreed, it would be nice if the V gap where ideal but that isn't my main concern either. However I certainly can't and won't stand for shoes which cause me pain.

Yes, not worried too much about the V, but rather being able to walk in them for a few hours at least.

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Guys,

but does going wide width means you will also get a larger or higher instep? I thought that instep remains the same but only width of the forefoot increase.

I think you get a bit more leather at the top so it's easier to close them.

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Nobody likes a sloppy fit. Display your high insteps proudly!

smile.gif) Will try

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Blue2007, I am really sorry for your disappointment. It seems that this is an example of why I wouldn't get a MTO without trying the shoe on first.
I take it that you changed into them on a leisure day, think how much bigger the gap will be after a long day and your feet have swollen a bit.
I personally would not be happy with the fit of that shoe.

It wasn't an MTO, so I can't say I lost the money, but I hear you.
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Thanks. Yes, not an easy one. I can fit good in the Carmina Rain 11UK, even the Sinatra TG73 11.5UK E, but for some reason those feel tighter. Even around the ball of the foot. The width of my foot is 11.7cm so not sure if that makes me an F width.
All I can say that after 2 hrs of wearing them while sitting, the feet hurt a bit, and even around the ball of the foot. But not sure if that's normal and if it will relax a bit. I'm def afraid to go F width and then too become too loose. I already went up .5 in my size to accommodate for that.
It def helps, thank you.

yes, the MH71 last which is strange cause it fits a bit different than my TG73 in same size. Will def have to visit Nick in the future.

But how bad did they hurt the first time you had them on? Like painful to the point you had to take them off? Mine seem to hurt also at the top and around the ball. The toes are fairly okay, only on my right foot I feel two of them touching too close, but nothing that I can't bear.

I think being an Oxford, the St James in MH71 is a bit tighter around the ball due to the cap toe. But maybe I'm wrong.
My biggest fear is to be afraid to wear my shoes cause they hurt smile.gif So not sure what's best, a looser fit or one super tight. Can you wear your shoes for a full day of walking around? Let's say more than 8 hrs?
High instep sucks smile.gif Almost impossible to find good RTW shoes. The rest fits good, the heel, the toe, but as I said above, it's tight around the ball to the point it makes my skin redish after I take them off. So I know a lot of pressure was applied.
Yes, not worried too much about the V, but rather being able to walk in them for a few hours at least.
I think you get a bit more leather at the top so it's easier to close them.
smile.gif) Will try
It wasn't an MTO, so I can't say I lost the money, but I hear you.

Being too tight and painful is simply something I wouldn't be willing to live with. The sloppy loose fit as I said is something you maybe able to wear, but it's certainly not something I would want to wear.

 

As some have mentioned over time the leather will stretch and the cork will settle which will give you a little more room. Whether this will be enough for these shoes to become comfortable that's anyone's guess. Some may also have more experience with this than others.

 

All I can say in my experience if the shoe starts out a bit snug for me then it has been my experience that I'll most likely be fine after the shoe has broke in. If the shoes in question start off being to painful because they are to tight then generally this is not a good sign for me. It's entirely possible I'm talking about the pain being located elsewhere or the shoe being tighter than yours, and its also possible I gave up to soon because I didn't want to endure the pain and wait it out long enough.

 

I still think its worth running by the experts at Skoak, and more than likely a couple more will weigh in here.

 

 

Good Luck!!!!

 

 

Cheers,

 

Dan

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Originally Posted by hoodog View Post
 

 

Yes that might be true. But another style on the same type of last should fit just about the same, if not exactly the same (given, of course that it's the same kind of footwear like shoes or boots). My experience with G&G is exactly this, each pair I've owned on the same type of last fits just about the same, if not exactly so.

 

As someone pointed out earlier, it is completely unrealistic to demand that a retailer should be able to stock every style, in every last, in every size and in every width. In the case of G&G for example, such a stock would not take a normal sized store, but a big warehouse. And, as I just said above, such a stock would still only be overkill since it's unnecessary.

FFS and for the last time - it is not unrealistic to expect to try on a RTW shoe because it's ready to wear! And it was in their flagship store, what's the point of the store if it isn't to try on their shoes. We can all look at the pretty pictures but as above HIS SHOES DON'T FIT HIM. MINE FIT ME BECAUSE I TRY THEM ON FIRST!!! If it was a MTO you have a point.

As we can see from the last 2 pages about this man's St James 2 experience, of course you need to try them on first!!

Or of course take a chance.

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FFS and for the last time - it is not unrealistic to expect to try on a RTW shoe because it's ready to wear! And it was in their flagship store, what's the point of the store if it isn't to try on their shoes. We can all look at the pretty pictures but as above HIS SHOES DON'T FIT HIM. MINE FIT ME BECAUSE I TRY THEM ON FIRST!!! If it was a MTO you have a point.

As we can see from the last 2 pages about this man's St James 2 experience, of course you need to try them on first!!

Or of course take a chance.

 

You may very well feel this way, but it appears from your recent visit that's not how they operate. At least not 100% of the time anyway. Yes, I agree it would be best if they did, but it appears as they do not. I would imagine and I'm taking a guess, but I'm thinking you might stand a much better chance expecting this when visiting a shoemaker like Allen Edmonds rather than someone like G&G and this simply has to do with the volume of shoes Allen Edmonds makes and sells every year. Even then Allen Edmonds may not be able to stock every shoe in every size especially given the amount of widths and various shoes they sell. Besides there is a significant difference in cost between an Allen Edmonds shoe and a pair from G&G and I'm certain this may also have something to do with it. I also would imagine other smaller shops like Vass, St Crispins, and possibly even Edward Green may not be able to meet your expectations either.

 

If I'm wrong because I haven't been to any of these shops I'm sure someone will point that out fairly soon.


Edited by dddrees - 7/21/15 at 4:27pm
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Edward Greeen had Asquiths 10E in an 888 yup.....errr let's not deviate, it was a Ready To Wear shoe and they should stock it, if they don't stock it as Ready to Wear then it's Made To Order ... really not too difficult.

If McDonalds took 2hrs to serve a happy meal it wouldn't be Fast Food

If you ordered Chinese Takeaway and had to go to the kitchen and eat it in there it wouldn't be a takeaway.

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Lol @ gazelle
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it was a Ready To Wear shoe and they should stock it, if they don't stock it as Ready to Wear then it's Made To Order ... really not too difficult.

G&G's scoping of its RTW universe simply doesn't match with your definition of RTW, and the prospect of them broadening their RTW universe is unlikely.

You are not alone in your frustration - Lord knows a broader stock range would have saved me much aggravation and ££'s. But there isn't, so we each have to choose how we deal, whether to take a chance or go to another maker with a wider scope. It sounds like you've made the latter choice, a perfectly reasonable path to take based on your personal risk profile. Wear your shoes in good health. cheers.gif
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And speaking of MTO's - these just arrived from Skoak biggrin.gif








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And speaking of MTO's - these just arrived from Skoak biggrin.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)








 

Great looking color, nice looking boot.

 

Congrats!!

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