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post #13486 of 21791
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Originally Posted by jas0nt View Post

Looks nice but I wouldn't describe that as oxblood. Looks more like JL's museum calf.

Then again oxblood is very similar to their Vintage Rioja...

This is my idea of oxblood FWIW.

In some dank corner of some leather associations archives there may be a standard for what oxblood is supposed to look like. Dark, almost coffee colour with strong red coming through--that's what I've always called oxblood. It's not wine, it's not burgundy and the shoe pictured would probably be better identified as cognac than oxblood.

That said, everyone feels free to impose their own definitions of colour anymore, esp. with regard to variations of brown. And to compound all that, dye lots can be significantly different in colour, depending on how the dye strikes if nothing else.

I might note that the description says that G&G is experimenting with an "oxblood finishing"...which would suggest that they are antiquing with a deep reddish brown on cognac rather than that the whole shoe is oxblood.
post #13487 of 21791
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

In some dank corner of some leather associations archives there may be a standard for what oxblood is supposed to look like. Dark, almost coffee colour with strong red coming through--that's what I've always called oxblood. It's not wine, it's not burgundy and the shoe pictured would probably be better identified as cognac than oxblood.

That said, everyone feels free to impose their own definitions of colour anymore, esp. with regard to variations of brown. And to compound all that, dye lots can be significantly different in colour, depending on how the dye strikes if nothing else.

I might note that the description says that G&G is experimenting with an "oxblood finishing"...which would suggest that they are antiquing with a deep reddish brown on cognac rather than that the whole shoe is oxblood.

I think we should all refer to the NCS color system. http://www.ncscolour.com/en/ That's clearly S 4550-Y70R in that picture. peepwall[1].gif
post #13488 of 21791
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Originally Posted by Leaves View Post

I think we should all refer to the NCS color system. http://www.ncscolour.com/en/ That's clearly S 4550-Y70R in that picture. peepwall[1].gif

Haha, fair enough, it is the lightest oxblood i have ever seen as well. Still like it though, and hopefully it's something they add to their MTO options list, like they do with their deco black calf bleaching...
post #13489 of 21791
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Originally Posted by Leaves View Post

I think we should all refer to the NCS color system. http://www.ncscolour.com/en/ That's clearly S 4550-Y70R in that picture. peepwall[1].gif

Good luck with that! tinfoil.gif

BTW, what NCS colour would you designate oxblood? And what name would you give to the S 4550-Y70R...if you had to, that is. Curious.

The real problem is getting everyone to agree on a name for the colour because you're not going to evoke any images nor sell shoes with a NCS number.

For instance, the colour of the shoes might very well be S 4550-Y70R, but I've seen it called cognac, whiskey, caramel and tan. And as I mentioned the shoemaker is caught between a rock and a hard spot because a leather that he has bought and sold as cognac, will suddenly come in two or three shades darker or lighter, or with greenish overtone. According to the tannery, it's still cognac.
post #13490 of 21791
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post

Good luck with that! tinfoil.gif

BTW, what NCS colour would you designate oxblood? And what name would you give to the S 4550-Y70R...if you had to, that is. Curious.

The real problem is getting everyone to agree on a name for the colour because you're not going to evoke any images nor sell shoes with a NCS number.

For instance, the colour of the shoes might very well be S 4550-Y70R, but I've seen it called cognac, whiskey, caramel and tan. And as I mentioned the shoemaker is caught between a rock and a hard spot because a leather that he has bought and sold as cognac, will suddenly come in two or three shades darker or lighter, or with greenish overtone. According to the tannery, it's still cognac.

Color name assigning is a crap shot really. Consider how even a picture online will look slightly (or drastically different depending on monitor calibration) because of different brands, year, & technology in general. So, depending on how well trained your eye is to analyzing images and colors, you might have several interpretations of perceived colors for any given leather. You will be surprised how little a layman can actually see or describe of a given object they are looking at. It takes time to teach the mind to stop taking everything it sees as arbitrary objects, and actually see what is in front of them (which i suspect is why most people can't draw, same principals apply).

This is one of those things that falls more into the artistic (difficult to quantify) category, instead of a measurable one IMO...
post #13491 of 21791
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Originally Posted by JubeiSpiegel View Post

You will be surprised how little a layman can actually see or describe of a given object they are looking at. It takes time to teach the mind to stop taking everything it sees as arbitrary objects, and actually see what is in front of them (which i suspect is why most people can't draw, same principals apply).
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Must be a congenital defect, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

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post #13492 of 21791
That color is nowhere close to the color of Ox' blood. It's at most cognac.
post #13493 of 21791
I would consider the bleached sections cognac like, but the rest of the show is closer to a burgundy or their rioja color. It looks like they mixed their vintage cherry with their vintage rioja, and this is what they came up with...
post #13494 of 21791
Mixing two lights and call it a dark. Interesting.
post #13495 of 21791
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

Mixing two lights and call it a dark. Interesting.

So you are insinuating that the only valid oxblood is the one you perceive?

Google search for oxblood color swatches has a more lenient interpretation: https://www.google.com/search?q=oxblood+color+swatch&client=safari&rls=en&biw=1128&bih=502&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=4Vx_VLHOLMijgwSF_4NY&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

You take everything so seriously Chogall...
post #13496 of 21791

I received this handsome pair of Rothschilds in "Antique Oak" as a gift. Unfortunately never got to wear them as they are too small. Put them up on the auction site.

Oh well….




Edited by Ebonyman - 12/4/14 at 4:23am
post #13497 of 21791
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Originally Posted by Ebonyman View Post

I received this handsome pair of Rothschilds in "Antique Oak" as a gift. Unfortunately never got to wear them as they are too small. Put them up on the auction site.

Oh well....

That is a sad story, are you looking to get another pair in a bigger size?
post #13498 of 21791
Hopefully you guys aren't planning to bleed out an ox in order to settle this debate
post #13499 of 21791
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Originally Posted by JubeiSpiegel View Post

So you are insinuating that the only valid oxblood is the one you perceive?

Google search for oxblood color swatches has a more lenient interpretation: https://www.google.com/search?q=oxblood+color+swatch&client=safari&rls=en&biw=1128&bih=502&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=4Vx_VLHOLMijgwSF_4NY&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

You take everything so seriously Chogall...

Not that I want to be serious but I do want to see samples or prototypes before placing order. I think you do too.

Not saying the color isn't great looking. But it's simply not my idea of Ox blood, physical or metaphorical.
post #13500 of 21791
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

Not that I want to be serious but I do want to see samples or prototypes before placing order. I think you do too.

Agreed, more examples are needed, but i quite like it. Whatever color they decided to call it.

Actually, I would like to know how they approached this, and how/if they plan to offer it as a MTO leather choice. I am not quite sure if it is their patina artist doing their thing, a similar bleaching process such as their Deco black, or heavy burnishing from a lighter leather such as vintage rioja?
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