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Originally Posted by manasdirge View Post

any difference between GG RTW and MTO shoes? local retailer claim that theirs are MTO GG and are hand welted, but I know GG have RTW lines and may not be hand welted? anyone can tell the difference here?
thanks a ton!

Your local retailer is poorly educated then unfortunately. I hope it's a junior sales man newbie mistake. Gaziano & Girling ready to wear and made to order are what is often referred to as bench made, so although there is a lot of manual labor involved in the production they are actually machine welted. There is no difference in production technique for RTW and MTO although MTO seems to have a slightly better finish most of the time. The only shoes from G&G that are hand welted are the bespoke ones and these start at about £4000.

I know G&G experimented with making a line that was hand welted, kind of between the normal MTO or Deco line and bespoke but I think it's stuck at Beta stage (or even Alpha).
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Originally Posted by striker View Post
 

 only bespoke shoes are handwelted. 


exactly!

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Originally Posted by Leaves View Post


Your local retailer is poorly educated then unfortunately. I hope it's a junior sales man newbie mistake. Gaziano & Girling ready to wear and made to order are what is often referred to as bench made, so although there is a lot of manual labor involved in the production they are actually machine welted. There is no difference in production technique for RTW and MTO although MTO seems to have a slightly better finish most of the time. The only shoes from G&G that are hand welted are the bespoke ones and these start at about £4000.

I know G&G experimented with making a line that was hand welted, kind of between the normal MTO or Deco line and bespoke but I think it's stuck at Beta stage (or even Alpha).

 

 

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Originally Posted by striker View Post
 

As far as I'm aware from their road shows, only bespoke shoes are handwelted. 

 

Thanks guys! you are most informative, although I thought at the price of GG (above $1000 here), at least the soles should be hand-stitched? I did read some posts regarding machine-welted sole as inferior to hand-welted, especially in goodyear welt? 

and one more thing to clarify, that "retailer" was not official affiliated, and at best a reseller or some kind, so that may explain why they don't know well about the brand.

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Yeah, it means your shoes are fake.

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Originally Posted by manasdirge View Post



Thanks guys! you are most informative, although I thought at the price of GG (above $1000 here), at least the soles should be hand-stitched? I did read some posts regarding machine-welted sole as inferior to hand-welted, especially in goodyear welt? 
and one more thing to clarify, that "retailer" was not official affiliated, and at best a reseller or some kind, so that may explain why they don't know well about the brand.

Sounds dodgy. I'd shoot G&G an email and ask them if the place is an official retailer of them. If not, I'd stay clear of that place. The vast majority of all premium shoes are machine welted. For hand welted ready-to-wear shoes you should look into Enzo Bonafè, Vass or Saint Crispin's. But this is a different discussion, use the forum search engine to look into those makers.
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Sounds dodgy. I'd shoot G&G an email and ask them if the place is an official retailer of them. If not, I'd stay clear of that place. The vast majority of all premium shoes are machine welted. For hand welted ready-to-wear shoes you should look into Enzo Bonafè, Vass or Saint Crispin's. But this is a different discussion, use the forum search engine to look into those makers.

 

already checked the official site and they are not on the list of retailers so the best scenario is that they bought low somewhere (they won't share with me of course) then selling at whatever profit they get, the worse is that they are selling fakes, anyway I think I'll steer clear.

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already checked the official site and they are not on the list of retailers so the best scenario is that they bought low somewhere (they won't share with me of course) then selling at whatever profit they get, the worse is that they are selling fakes, anyway I think I'll steer clear.

not all of the retailers are listed on the G&G website...

 

I think you just have an SA that is a ding-dong and lying to make a sale or legitimately doesn't know anything...

 

never heard of G&G fakes fwiw..

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Originally Posted by PCK1 View Post

not all of the retailers are listed on the G&G website...

I think you just have an SA that is a ding-dong and lying to make a sale or legitimately doesn't know anything...

never heard of G&G fakes fwiw..

Yes there are G&G fakes but I think it's unusual. I saw a site a couple of years back that I alerted Tony about, he confirmed they were fakes. it was actually quite easy to spot, if you are into G&G at least.

But it might just be a bad sales rep too of course.
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Are G and Gs fakes?  Could any please upload a pic? I am curious.

 

What would be the next... Ferrari fakes with 4 cilinder engines= ( oh wait, this already exist)

 

On the Neapolitan tie lab i cooperate was an inspection since all the tie labs were suspects to do fake Marinella ties ( who the rtw ones are made by machine with an average quality while ours and most of the inspectioned are completely by hand, so would lose money delivering a better product than the imitated in case  the fake denunce was for real...

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Originally Posted by Leaves View Post


Your local retailer is poorly educated then unfortunately. I hope it's a junior sales man newbie mistake. Gaziano & Girling ready to wear and made to order are what is often referred to as bench made, so although there is a lot of manual labor involved in the production they are actually machine welted. There is no difference in production technique for RTW and MTO although MTO seems to have a slightly better finish most of the time. The only shoes from G&G that are hand welted are the bespoke ones and these start at about £4000.

I know G&G experimented with making a line that was hand welted, kind of between the normal MTO or Deco line and bespoke but I think it's stuck at Beta stage (or even Alpha).

 

 

Similar to high end watch forum like Rolex TRF, if you can attach quality photos, respected members here can tell you if they are fake or not.

As mentioned by Leaves, for hand welted ready-to-wear shoes you should look into Enzo Bonafè, Vass or Saint Crispin's.

Like everything in life, if it's too good to be true it probably is.
Keep clear.

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Originally Posted by SartodiNapoli View Post

Are G and Gs fakes?  Could any please upload a pic? I am curious.

What would be the next... Ferrari fakes with 4 cilinder engines= ( oh wait, this already exist)

On the Neapolitan tie lab i cooperate was an inspection since all the tie labs were suspects to do fake Marinella ties ( who the rtw ones are made by machine with an average quality while ours and most of the inspectioned are completely by hand, so would lose money delivering a better product than the imitated in case  the fake denunce was for real...

Did you actually read the post?
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That has never stop him from going on a forum rant.

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Did you actually read the post?

 

Yes, with the broken screen of my mobile. 

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