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She will work toward open borders by building on Obama's executive order, through court nominations, and by flooding the country with as many people as possible to further establish a group of voters who will go along with it.
I think what she means by open borders is returning to 150,ooo H1B quota (that is what Corps. want that is what India & China want) and that is what she voiced while in India. H1B lobby even gotten Trump To change his tune from opposing it to accepting it as necessary measure for , attention BS: Those highly talented University grads with science degrees that we MUST keep by giving them path to Green Card. In reality H1B is used to flood US market with cheap, obedient indentured serfs = suppress wages, unions or any discontent with your masters. Americans made to compete with 3rd Worlders in theri own country for the wages and benefits...That is what Open Borders really mean. No one is crazy enough to mean by "open borders" a process of crossing borders without passport or visa (not sure why this straw man even raised its stupid head).
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I think you meant supporting contraception paid for by other people. Why should I pay for their contraception? Because it's a public service? Where does that end? If history is any indication, it never ends. Today it's contraception, tomorrow it's something else.

This is extremely small price to pay for immeasurably bigger benefit . I am dumbfounded how you don't see that? You will not pay a few 100s on principal, but then pay 1000s for the inevitable fall out (no-pun int.) of those unwanted births? Look around , the least responsible people are procreating and those with income and education have small families or no children at all.
IMHO, contraception and abortion must be made available & free Worldwide, paid by developed nations, if we want to survive and save this planet for a little longer.
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Trump loses he will probably start his own media company.
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That is actually quite a good idea.
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Is Pence still running for VP with Trump, or is he running for 2020?


He's openly contradicting Trump now, saying they won't contest the election results, rejecting the pre-emptive fraud claims, calling out Russia for the hacking. He's coming off well, if only by comparison.
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He probably wants to preserve his career as a politician.
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Is Pence still running for VP with Trump, or is he running for 2020?


He's openly contradicting Trump now, saying they won't contest the election results, rejecting the pre-emptive fraud claims, calling out Russia for the hacking. He's coming off well, if only by comparison.

 

 

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He probably wants to preserve his career as a politician.


I don't think he really has one.  I don't respect Pence's views but I think he is trying to be (comparatively, as said above) decent, working to preserve some shred of reputation and keep the Trump stench from sticking to him forever.

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Originally Posted by suited View Post

I think you meant supporting contraception paid for by other people. Why should I pay for their contraception? Because it's a public service? Where does that end? If history is any indication, it never ends. Today it's contraception, tomorrow it's something else.

At least greger has a religious imperative .This is just dumb.Not to mention miserly.
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The media's role in this election is the only reason we still have a race. If it were possible to have fair media, Hillary would be dead in the water and her donors would have backed out long ago. Hell, she wouldn't have even been a contender for the nomination if we had honest press.

The media couldn't be any harsher on Trump, so a fair press would not hurt Trump's current numbers. On the other hand, an honest media would have Hillary polling 15 or 20 points behind Trump. The fact that Trump is polling nearly even with Hillary given that the media has become an extension of her campaign is nothing short of astounding. To pretend otherwise is just silly.

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He's been polling within or close to the margin of error during most of the election, sometimes beating her in more than half the swing states. When you consider that the media has mounted an unprecedented attack on him as a presidential candidate, claiming that Trump would likely be beating Hillary if she received honest treatment from the media is not delusional at all.

The video is from Newt's appearance on ABC yesterday. "I think that without the unending one sided assault from the news media, Trump would be beating Hillary by 15 points." That Newt Gingrich fella has it figured out.


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For a bunch of guys who argue about pulling yourself up by the bootstraps, they sure like to whine and cry a lot.  SNL is part of the media conspiracy.  You couldn't have written a fiction novel about this election even two years ago -- the critics would tear the book to shreds for its absurdity and two dimensional characters.

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The irony in all this is that without the unending media coverage, Trump would just be a failing "businessman" on trial for fraud in connection with Trump University. Trump should be thanking the media for giving him maximum exposure to deplorables which powered his campaign and enabled him to beat out much more experienced politicians like ... err .. Ben Carson? Carly Fiorina? OK, well he did beat out Jeb and Ted.

Honestly the media is being far too fair to Trump under this false equivalency that he should be treated like a genuine option for president. By comparison the media is being quite unfair to Johnson and Stein who are more legitimate candidates for the presidency. Not that I think they are legitimate but by comparison to Trump, just about everyone is.

Trump is a stain on our country. The republicans are at a demographic disadvantage in a national election and until they can figure out a way to gerrymander the presidential election (reform electoral college to give them a chance?) they will continue to lose. The idea that Trump would be winning with "fair" media coverage is almost exactly as laughable as his credibility with rational voters.

Hillary has her problems but those are magnified in the eyes of the public by 30 years of unfair media coverage and likely the cause of a lot of her secrecy, evasiveness and distrust of the media. I would venture to say that if the media actually covered this election fairly, Hillary would be 4 or 5 points up on Jeb Bush at this point.
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Originally Posted by UnFacconable View Post

The irony in all this is that without the unending media coverage, Trump would just be a failing "businessman" on trial for fraud in connection with Trump University. Trump should be thanking the media for giving him maximum exposure to deplorables which powered his campaign and enabled him to beat out much more experienced politicians like ... err .. Ben Carson? Carly Fiorina? OK, well he did beat out Jeb and Ted.

Honestly the media is being far too fair to Trump under this false equivalency that he should be treated like a genuine option for president. By comparison the media is being quite unfair to Johnson and Stein who are more legitimate candidates for the presidency. Not that I think they are legitimate but by comparison to Trump, just about everyone is.

Trump is a stain on our country. The republicans are at a demographic disadvantage in a national election and until they can figure out a way to gerrymander the presidential election (reform electoral college to give them a chance?) they will continue to lose. The idea that Trump would be winning with "fair" media coverage is almost exactly as laughable as his credibility with rational voters.

Hillary has her problems but those are magnified in the eyes of the public by 30 years of unfair media coverage and likely the cause of a lot of her secrecy, evasiveness and distrust of the media. I would venture to say that if the media actually covered this election fairly, Hillary would be 4 or 5 points up on Jeb Bush at this point.

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Let's establish a few assumptions:

1) Trump is receiving unprecedented scrutiny from the media. Whether it's justified or not is irrelevant in this analysis, because the key point here is that a fair media couldn't hurt him anymore than he's already been hurt. It couldn't get any worse for Trump.

2) The media is not giving the same attention to Hillary's flaws. It doesn't matter if you think her flaws are less newsworthy, key point is that she's getting favorable treatment.

3) Despite this, Trump has been within or very close to the margin of error throughout most of the campaign - and at certain points was leading in many swing states.

If you don't understand that equal media treatment would have Trump doing far better than he is now, you are either terrible at math or dishonest.
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Let's establish a few assumptions:

1) Trump is receiving unprecedented scrutiny from the media. Whether it's justified or not is irrelevant in this analysis, because the key point here is that a fair media couldn't hurt him anymore than he's already been hurt. It couldn't get any worse for Trump.

2) The media is not giving the same attention to Hillary's flaws. It doesn't matter if you think her flaws are less newsworthy, key point is that she's getting favorable treatment.

3) Despite this, Trump has been within or very close to the margin of error throughout most of the campaign - and at certain points was leading in many swing states.

If you don't understand that equal media treatment would have Trump doing far better than he is now, you are either terrible at math or dishonest.

Trump has only been as successful as he has been thus far in this election due to the media. Do you think he'd have been able to have almost zero ad buys and zero ground game and won the Republican nomination if he had received the same amount of media coverage as other candidates? Absolutely not. He's a media whore. Demanding that the media treat him as anything but the spectacle he is is entirely disingenuous as it's the only reason for his success in the first place.
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Originally Posted by UnFacconable View Post

The irony in all this is that without the unending media coverage, Trump would just be a failing "businessman" on trial for fraud in connection with Trump University. Trump should be thanking the media for giving him maximum exposure to deplorables which powered his campaign and enabled him to beat out much more experienced politicians like ... err .. Ben Carson? Carly Fiorina? OK, well he did beat out Jeb and Ted.

Honestly the media is being far too fair to Trump under this false equivalency that he should be treated like a genuine option for president. By comparison the media is being quite unfair to Johnson and Stein who are more legitimate candidates for the presidency. Not that I think they are legitimate but by comparison to Trump, just about everyone is.

Trump is a stain on our country. The republicans are at a demographic disadvantage in a national election and until they can figure out a way to gerrymander the presidential election (reform electoral college to give them a chance?) they will continue to lose. The idea that Trump would be winning with "fair" media coverage is almost exactly as laughable as his credibility with rational voters.

Hillary has her problems but those are magnified in the eyes of the public by 30 years of unfair media coverage and likely the cause of a lot of her secrecy, evasiveness and distrust of the media. I would venture to say that if the media actually covered this election fairly, Hillary would be 4 or 5 points up on Jeb Bush at this point.

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Trump has only been as successful as he has been thus far in this election due to the media. Do you think he'd have been able to have almost zero ad buys and zero ground game and won the Republican nomination if he had received the same amount of media coverage as other candidates? Absolutely not. He's a media whore. Demanding that the media treat him as anything but the spectacle he is is entirely disingenuous as it's the only reason for his success in the first place.

He won the primary based on his debate performances, however terrible they were, and channeling the anger of his core supporters. Yes, Trump would have easily won the primary regardless of how the media handled him. And again, it's not how the media treats him that's causing the problem, it's how they treat Hillary.
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He won the primary based on his debate performances, however terrible they were, and channeling the anger of his core supporters. Yes, Trump would have easily won the primary regardless of how the media handled him. And again, it's not how the media treats him that's causing the problem, it's how they treat Hillary.

Hillary has been under the media spotlight since Bill's administration. All her scandals are old news at this point. Yes, new information about them has been trickling out but it's nothing more than further detail on things we already know. She's secretive, cagey, and a liar. Everyone knows this. But you'll never find her outright saying these things in public and sticking her foot in her mouth like Trump has.

Ratings are what the media are after. What sells more ad space, further detail into the minutiae of Hillary's emails or Trump saying he grabs them by the pussy?
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As far as his debate performance winning him the primaries, lol8[1].giflol8[1].giflol8[1].gif. Yes, he commandeered those debates but none of them were game changers beyond him labelling Jeb "low energy". But just look at this: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/upshot/measuring-donald-trumps-mammoth-advantage-in-free-media.html

He dominated the media. No one facing him was even close in free coverage. Why do you think he was able to have such a base of core supporters? He didn't advertise, he didn't even any semblance of voter outreach. He gained them by the huge amounts of coverage he got.
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This is what everyone should be talking about instead of Trump bragging 11 years ago about kissing women and grabbing their butts.

This is Wikileaks, so fair warning , If you are in the Freedumbest country on Earth be careful clicking on it.

https://wikileaks.org/-Leaks-.html
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