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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

Interestingly enough, you can't use certain IDs that people who tend to be more left wing have (can't use gov issued state college IDs), but you are allowed to use IDs that more right wing tend to have (gun permits/licenses).

Not to mention there just happen to be more DMV/gov offices to apply for a license in richer/white areas than in poor areas (and many of those in the poor areas are open only certain days of the month)

They'll take welfare checks. Is that not good enough?
post #5822 of 8748
I am surprised to find out having a college ID indicates I am probably left wing. The corollary of this would of course be wrong minded people do not attend college.
post #5823 of 8748
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post
 

 

In fairness on point one, gun permits are issued by the state (and in both MN and WI they require you to have another state ID to get).  College IDs don't really validate anything other than you may have attended a university once.

thats why I qualified as state college ID - 

post #5824 of 8748
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post
 

thats why I qualified as state college ID - 


I have two state college IDs (because I'm not part of the StyFo Illuminati with their Ivy education).  They don't have expiration dates or anything else.  I could use my UW ID today, but I haven't been in school for seven years.

 

Edit: I actually have a third for one of the UW extension schools that I took a class from while  I was in high school.  It doesn't indicate age or have an expiration.  When I got the ID, I was 16.

post #5825 of 8748
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post
 

 They don't have expiration dates

Is that a requirement of a voting ID?

post #5826 of 8748
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post
 

Is that a requirement of a voting ID?


I don't know about every state law, but I would imagine so because an expired license is typically not considered valid ID.  Here in liberal MN, it was a pain to register to vote because our IDs didn't have the correct address, and they wouldn't accept a clipped driver's license.  So we had to show our clipped license, the MN DMV receipt proving the new license was on order, and a proof of address like a utility bill.

 

I remember voting in Madison, and you could just show your dorm room statement issued by the university and nothing else.

post #5827 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post


The idea that it's some kind of conspiracy to disenfranchise anyone is preposterous. But it's par for the course these days for the courts and the media to accept preposterous things as gospel.

 

Something like that has never happened in this country so why would anyone even consider the possibility of systematic disenfranchisement?


Edited by Rumpelstiltskin - 10/7/16 at 9:07am
post #5828 of 8748
Actually, I have a college ID and I have a carry permit. Obviously another manifestation of my non-partisan status.
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October 7, 2016
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Wasn't that back in the 80s?
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Is there any actual reason to think that the "Central Park 5" were "innocent"? They admitted to being part of a mob that attacked a bunch of people that night for fun. That seems to be beyond dispute. But apparently only one person actually raped the famous jogger victim, and it wasn't one of them. They admitted they helped, but we're all supposed to believe they were innocent because the guy who did it says he acted alone?

Even if she wasn't one of their victims, how bad are we supposed to feel for them again, when they were out hurting strangers for fun?
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THIS JUST IN: Bernhard Goetz shot four on NYC subway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shooting
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There was something about the police using sleep deprivation and other strange methods in order to get the confession - which I think was the original problem

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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

There was something about the police using sleep deprivation and other strange methods in order to get the confession - which I think was the original problem

They were disobeying lawful orders not to fall asleep?
post #5835 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

The idea that it's some kind of conspiracy to disenfranchise anyone is preposterous. But it's par for the course these days for the courts and the media to accept preposterous things as gospel.

I don't know how it is preposterous when you consider the long and sordid history of voter disenfranchisement in this country. The North Carolina law was surgically drafted to have maximum disenfranchisement of black citizens. The only thing that is preposterous is the unsupported assumption that in person voter fraud is a bigger threat to the legitimacy of our elections than disenfranchisement.

I don't know what state you live in but the question to ask is not how easy it is to have one of these types of IDs but whether the restrictions have a disproportionate impact. If they didn't, republicans wouldn't care about this issue at all. We could add a requirement that voters need to know how to dap in order to vote. It's not hard to learn so it shouldn't be much of a hurdle. The point is people show up to vote and get denied.
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