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post #5596 of 8748
Neat, we're having another stupid semantics argument.

Trump's moron spokesperson said there was no discrimination in Ohio in the 1960s. That's a transparently stupid statement. Whether there was legal discrimination or not (Nil's word) is kind of irrelevant.
post #5597 of 8748
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A quick googling says the "Ohio Civil Rights Act of 1959" was an employment (anti) discrimination law and the Fair Housing Act was, I assume, a housing anti-discrimination law. Both of those prohibit discrimination by private individuals and businesses. Just because they passed those laws doesn't mean the state was segregated before they were passed. It doesn't even necessarily mean the discrimination they prohibited was legal before they were passed.

Though, like I said, I guess you can loosen up the definition of segregation from laws to a de facto situation until you can include Ohio and Alabama in the same category. That's the idea behind the redlining shtick, isn't it?

 

Really?  Is it your opinion that those laws weren't passed to combat widespread practices throughout the state but just because legislators had nothing else to do?  

 

 

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Though, like I said, I guess you can loosen up the definition of segregation from laws to a de facto situation until you can include Ohio and Alabama in the same category. That's the idea behind the redlining shtick, isn't it?
 


Who defined segregation as laws?  AFAIK segregation didn't only occur in Jim Crow states.  But you knew that didn't you

post #5598 of 8748
Who defined segregation in the context of the 1960s as laws? Everybody, at the time. I guess it turns out the whole country was segregated and still is and always will be.
post #5599 of 8748
Please, segregation is still rampant. Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, Washington D.C., Atlanta, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Cleveland, Dayton, NOLA...

Would it be poor form to point out these cities have been run by Democrats just about entirely in the last 40 years or so?

Lesson: segregation, despite what folks would have you believe, crosses party lines quite thoroughly.
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Yeah, yeah, I know, redlining and jim crow were basically the same thing
 

 

You are incorrect.  Redlining was just a single aspect of segregation and/or Jim Crow and existed long after the Jim Crow period ended

 

 

 

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Who defined segregation in the context of the 1960s as laws? Everybody, at the time. I guess it turns out the whole country was segregated and still is and always will be.

 

 

I wasn't around at the time but from my readings, Jim Crow states were those states that enacted segregation laws.  That did not mean that there wasn't any segregation in non-Jim Crow states.  Non-whites could be turned away from hotels, restaurants and businesses as well as were restricted in where they could live or  purchase property.  In many places it was Jim Crow in all but name.  People had to resort to guidebooks when travelling.  The Green Book was published until 1967 in New York City, far from the Jim Crow South

 

 

A page from the Green Book explains its history and purpose. (Courtesy of the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture, New York Public Library)

The cover of the 1966-67 issue of the Green Book. (Courtesy of the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture, New York Public Library) 


Edited by Rumpelstiltskin - 9/22/16 at 12:23pm
post #5601 of 8748

I don't know if that lady is from Cleveland, but that city has a pretty well-known history of racial segregation in its schools. Reed v. Rhodes is a relatively well-known school segregation case that found that the state and Cleveland Public Schools intentionally created and maintained a segregated school system. This was in 1976, and Cleveland spent the next several decades attempting to integrate. It wasn't until 1998 that the courts said that desegregation had been achieved. The school system was under court supervision until 2000.

post #5602 of 8748
I'm sure that's true to the extent that there was overt private discrimination in some places, but it doesn't change the fact that the woman was talking about her experience in school in the 1960s and you said she omitted segregation, implying that her school or her town had to be segregated in some meaningful way, when in fact that's improbable.

From a cursory google search you can find that Ohio had laws prohibiting segregation in schools and public accommodations as early as the 1880s, though there are the usual complaints that the laws weren't always enforced.
post #5603 of 8748
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I thought so too. Nope. Trump is determined to lose every last black vote

How many black thugs vote? Blacks, who are not thugs, surely want a better life. The good blacks complain about the thugs among them. Good whites aren't any different.
post #5604 of 8748
#thuglife?

Uhuh

#gregerlife
post #5605 of 8748
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#thuglife?

Uhuh

#gregerlife

Why? You think those inner city gang members are going to vote? Or, you think the gang members are not thugs?

Think Trump has good intentions for blacks, and will do better for them than the Hillary gang can do.
post #5606 of 8748

puff puff give Gregor, puff puff give

post #5607 of 8748
Many blacks have sure had it ruff in this country. In middle school we were shown a number of films. One was of pretty black and white girls in the same dress model. The girls were equally beautiful. The black girls had to say that the white girls were prettier. How could anyone say one was prettier than the other? It doesn't make sense that people of any color could stoop so low as those white people who demanded the Black girls lie about beauty. Where was/is the win?
post #5608 of 8748
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Many blacks have sure had it ruff in this country. In middle school we were shown a number of films. One was of pretty black and white girls in the same dress model. The girls were equally beautiful. The black girls had to say that the white girls were prettier. How could anyone say one was prettier than the other? It doesn't make sense that people of any color could stoop so low as those white people who demanded the Black girls lie about beauty. Where was/is the win?

What year was that approx?
post #5609 of 8748
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“If you’re black and you haven’t been successful in the last 50 years, it’s your own fault. You’ve had every opportunity, it was given to you,” she said.

If you said that to any group of people you would be skewered today. You can't even imply that people have more control over their life than outside influences, doesn't matter if they're black or white.
post #5610 of 8748
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Think Trump has good intentions for blacks, and will do better for them than the Hillary gang can do.

Stop and frisk counts as good intentions, I'm sure.
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