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The parallels to these people and these communities to inner city ghettos was apparent to me. Interesting in how different people seem to feel about and want to deal with the two problems.
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Not 'too big to fail'.
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The parallels to these people and these communities to inner city ghettos was apparent to me. Interesting in how different people seem to feel about and want to deal with the two problems.

You get a chance to read that "Hillbilly Elegy" book? I bought it and haven't had a chance to dive in yet.

People talk about bootstrapping and fixing your community all that, but it's pretty damn hard to advance your life when you're in one of those environments. It's not just "culture", although that's a major part of it. There just aren't that many opportunities. Your job opportunities are limited, you don't really have a lot of chances to learn the perspective on what you need to do to improve your life. Almost all the people who do "make it" get the hell out and never come back, so they're not reinforcing their old communities.

You notice both communities often have this "crabs in a bucket" thing where they try to drag people back down if they start succeeding. I don't think it's done deliberately with malice, it's just that succeeding means radically changing who you are and that almost always removes you from the community.
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The parallels to these people and these communities to inner city ghettos was apparent to me. Interesting in how different people seem to feel about and want to deal with the two problems.

The thing about inner city ghettos...is that they are still in the city.

These people in west virginia are fucked. There are no jobs anywhere nearby. There are no people with jobs to buy things from them if they wanted to create a business. Maybe you could help them out by moving in some manufacturing plants...but why would you?

The inner city neighborhoods don't have all of these problems. They have their own problems, but except for crumbling rust belt cities that have lost their industry, there is still other stuff going on. Their situation may not be ideal, but I'd rather build a factory near a city than near a former coal mine. And people can still work for businesses downtown that sell stuff to white collar workers.

I see one as fixable...if the city itself is thriving, it benefits itself to fix the ghetto. There is nobody to fix the mining town. Just like there is nobody to fix the dead-and-gone ghost towns out west after the mining stopped.
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The thing about inner city ghettos...is that they are still in the city.

These people in west virginia are fucked. There are no jobs anywhere nearby. There are no people with jobs to buy things from them if they wanted to create a business. Maybe you could help them out by moving in some manufacturing plants...but why would you?

The inner city neighborhoods don't have all of these problems. They have their own problems, but except for crumbling rust belt cities that have lost their industry, there is still other stuff going on. Their situation may not be ideal, but I'd rather build a factory near a city than near a former coal mine. And people can still work for businesses downtown that sell stuff to white collar workers.

I see one as fixable...if the city itself is thriving, it benefits itself to fix the ghetto. There is nobody to fix the mining town. Just like there is nobody to fix the dead-and-gone ghost towns out west after the mining stopped.

How about Baltimore? Fixable? Gary, Indiana? Flint, Michigan? Until the last few years no one thought Detroit was fixable either and it's white collar stuff, not manufacturing, that's lifting Detroit a bit.

There are multiple rural communities in Canada where there's little good paying full time jobs and mainly seasonal work (fishing, lumbering, etc.) Canadian society has decided supporting the lifestyle of these people is the right thing to do.

I have no answers just pointing out different groups treat these two populations differently. It has a lot to do with race and politics and it's sort of illogical, frustrating, and sad.
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How about Baltimore? Fixable? Gary, Indiana? Flint, Michigan? Until the last few years no one thought Detroit was fixable either and it's white collar stuff, not manufacturing, that's lifting Detroit a bit.

There are multiple rural communities in Canada where there's little good paying full time jobs and mainly seasonal work (fishing, lumbering, etc.) Canadian society has decided supporting the lifestyle of these people is the right thing to do.

I have no answers just pointing out different groups treat these two populations differently. It has a lot to do with race and politics and it's sort of illogical, frustrating, and sad.

Baltimore is more like Chicago than the other ones there. The gentrified/gentrifying part of the city is pretty nice, but you really have to watch out if you go into the wrong blocks.

If you look at DC, they made an effort to ship a lot of the public housing people into the Maryland suburbs. Those particular suburbs degraded significantly, but the density is lower and it broke up some of the standing patterns. You get fights and robberies, but not gun battles in the street like DC used to have. Now there's white flight out of the suburbs!
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It looks like things have somewhat simmered down in here, but let me remind everyone that racial slurs have never been and will never be tolerated in this thread...or any other thread for that matter.  Feel free to continue the immigration debate, but without any of that nonsense....carry on.

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It looks like things have somewhat simmered down in here, but let me remind everyone that racial slurs have never been and will never be tolerated in this thread...or any other thread for that matter.  Feel free to continue the immigration debate, but without any of that nonsense....carry on.

Thanks for permission to carry on the "immigration debate."
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Thanks for permission to carry on the "immigration debate."

It's not the current discussion, but what was being discussed at the time of the reported post. Either way, carry on whatever discussion you'd like...and you're welcome.
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I cannot bring myself to use ignore button, I am against such microaggression.
So I wish we had an "Apologise to me" button next to each post where we could demand an apology if we feel hurt or unsafe.
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I am still triggered from learning that the Vietnamese named their currency after a racial slur. Thank you for trying to protect me but please do a better job heading it off in the future!
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Well if people can't be a little bit racist I think we've seen the death of the Trump thread.
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Racism is an American tradition

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Racism is an American tradition


If you can't be better than somebody else by virtue of being born with a skin color or background somebody else wasn't smart enough to also be born with, f@ck 'em.

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Racism is an American tradition part of the human condition.

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