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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

And it essentially makes all their savings (if they have any) tax deducible.


It works as long as the sales tax isn't being used too much to lower upper bracket taxes, I suppose.

The point is the sales tax increase will be used to lower the upper bracket taxes and corporate taxes, but since the lower 50% of the population will still be paying no income tax, the politicians won't lose their votes.
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Originally Posted by Dragon View Post

The point is the sales tax increase will be used to lower the upper bracket taxes and corporate taxes, but since the lower 50% of the population will still be paying no income tax, the politicians won't lose their votes.

Sure, I got that. In terms of policy, it's just something you can't push too far. Some of these proposals to massively decrease income taxes and replace the lost revenue with sales tax are bad news because of the regressive nature of sales tax. It's fine if it's basically cost neutral with income taxes for lower income people.
post #558 of 8748
The idea of replacing some income tax with a federal sales tax is an awful idea. It makes it even easier to raise taxes.
post #559 of 8748
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

The idea of replacing some income tax with a federal sales tax is an awful idea. It makes it even easier to raise taxes.

Especially true in the US model, where the sales tax is charged at the register and not shown on the price tags.
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Can anyone explain the appeal of Carly Fiorina?

 

She has no government/public service experience, and her main claim to fame is her being CEO of HP, of which her success can be debated, and has not held a position since. That's it. Am I missing something?

post #561 of 8748
No, she's a statist pig-fuck who supports torture and wants to bankrupt the country fighting boogeymen.
post #562 of 8748
What's the complaint, exactly--that she hasn't been CEO of another top-20 company? That's just not how it works.
post #563 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

What's the complaint, exactly--that she hasn't been CEO of another top-20 company? That's just not how it works.


No, that she's an idiot.
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

What's the complaint, exactly--that she hasn't been CEO of another top-20 company? That's just not how it works.

Well.. she hasn't been a CEO let alone really employed by any other company, but anyway...

 

That she has no governmental experience (she ran for Senate in CA, failed, and then decided running for president would be better?), and her only claim to fame - CEO of HP wasn't very well regarded. So, her resume doesn't seem to be very good, yet people are taking her very seriously, and she has risen in the polls lately - I'm just wondering why? It wasn't a complaint at all...

post #565 of 8748
Fiorina's debate performances (read about the first one, saw the second one) have been very good from a stylistic perspective -- she gave crisp, detailed, and emphatic answers while most of the other candidates appeared to be winging it. There's been some talk that some of her answers took liberties with the truth, but most people don't care about that.
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Because GOP primary voters are skeptical of government but respect private businesses and their leaders. And I like to think at least some primary voters are smart enough to know that just because she wasn't universally liked as CEO or that she couldn't win a senate seat in California that it somehow disqualifies her from being president. She comes off as being forceful and sharp. That's why people like her.

What exactly do you regard as a good resume, anyway? Hillary Clinton got into the senate because of her husband and as secretary of state set up chaos in half the world. Obama had no leadership experience of any sort. Biden is a buffoon. Sanders is more extreme than any of the Republican candidates. Etc.
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Because GOP primary voters are skeptical of government but respect private businesses and their leaders. And I like to think at least some primary voters are smart enough to know that just because she wasn't universally liked as CEO or that she couldn't win a senate seat in California that it somehow disqualifies her from being president. She comes off as being forceful and sharp. That's why people like her.

What exactly do you regard as a good resume, anyway? Hillary Clinton got into the senate because of her husband and as secretary of state set up chaos in half the world. Obama had no leadership experience of any sort. Biden is a buffoon. Sanders is more extreme than any of the Republican candidates. Etc.

Turk is exactly right on Carly's appeal. She's not someone I will vote for in the primary because of some of her positions, but she's probably better than a good many of the other candidates unfortunately.

Republican primary voters love outsiders - her narrative is perfect for them. She also is hitting the key points the important sub-sects of Republicans like. Very emphatically anti-abortion, she's not afraid to blow people up on the other side of the world, and she is pro-business (which isn't necessarily pro free-trade). She has a bit of a populist streak to her, but she also has the mainstream-Republican appeal as well. It also helps that she's a woman who doesn't talk about "women's issues" in the way we normally hear about them: she's not saying that women should be given special treatment, or 3 years of paid vacation for having a baby, or that we should subsidize women's healthcare.

My bet is that she will fade, but I have believed since she announced, that she will be the strongest of the "outsider" candidates - Trump will fall soon, then soon after Carson. She could easily be a VP choice (I know she's saying she's not running for VP), especially given her good debate skills - she can be the attack dog and she will out debate the Democrat #2 seeing they don't even have one good debater running.

Ultimately, I still think it will be Kaisch or Rubio as the nominee. It just depends on who exits when because Kaisch is a more moderate Republican - think Bush or Romney - who isn't Bush, and Rubio is a bit further to the right and plays to the base a lot harder.
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I'd be shocked if Kasich won the primary. Rubio would surprise me, but he certainly has a better shot than Kasich. I wouldn't be so sure about Carson and Trump fading away.
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I'd be shocked if Kasich won the primary. Rubio would surprise me, but he certainly has a better shot than Kasich. I wouldn't be so sure about Carson and Trump fading away.

The reason I think Kasich has a shot is because Bush if failing fast. He's the most "moderate" Republican running. Republicans like to pump up the outsider hero, but something always comes up to burst that bubble. Then the Republicans always pick some boring, middle-of-the-road kinda of establishment Republican. Romney, McCain, and even Bush. Each one had an area where they pushed a bit more right - McCain on defense, Romney on business, Bush on religion, but they were never outsiders and never considered extreme.
post #570 of 8748
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

The reason I think Kasich has a shot is because Bush if failing fast. He's the most "moderate" Republican running. Republicans like to pump up the outsider hero, but something always comes up to burst that bubble. Then the Republicans always pick some boring, middle-of-the-road kinda of establishment Republican. Romney, McCain, and even Bush. Each one had an area where they pushed a bit more right - McCain on defense, Romney on business, Bush on religion, but they were never outsiders and never considered extreme.

The Republican establishment has to be more than a little concerned about the polling. Having all the outsiders dominate the polls isn't a good return on the opinion about the state of the party. Not good for your party when self-identified likely Republican voters don't like the best candidates their party can come up with. This isn't an off year throwaway election against a strong incumbent or anything, they're getting all the strongest people the party and come up with and they end up getting these guys.


I'm betting Rubio. He was head and shoulders better than any of the other establishment guys in the last debate, and he doesn't have any huge vulnerabilities. I can't see anybody else pulling it off. Kasich doesn't have the name recognition and is still buried with the after thoughts at the bottom.
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