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Dang that's a sweet policy.  I hope my employer changes the 17 weeks of paid leave for a kid.

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Trump and Ivanka outlined their childcare policy in a speech last night, which makes six week maternity leave mandatory and gives tax credits for parents. They say it won't raise taxes, but that seems unlikely. It's an unusual policy for a Repub.

 

Of course it won't - Trump will just wink at Yellen and she'll turn up the printing presses to 11.

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Nobody's gonna mention the childcare thing?

I think this was the first major speech by Trump that CNN and MSNBC didn't cover. I wonder why. If I'm watching one of his speeches I will usually flip to those two channels and see if they're running it, and last night they chose not to.

And there's this:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/14/did-trump-really-mock-reporters-disability-videos-could-back-him-up.html

Trump on video, before he mocked the disabled reporter, using the same mannerisms and hand gestures to mock several people who were not handicapped.
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That's not at all biased. LOL.

That "etc" covers a lot more ground than just pot legalization. We have a whole gigantic thread on "police overreach and abuse" just as one neat little package of examples.
How many people do you think the Mafia killed over the years, especially during Prohibition? It's a lot more than have been killed by Muslim-Americans, especially adjusted for the relative population of the country.

And, not surprisingly, there was a ton of anti-Italian sentiment back then. With pretty similar language to what you're using right now.
The culture of the US changed drastically from 1900 to 1950 too. Which one is the "right" culture that we ought to be preserving? We've never had a static culture, and it's always been profoundly influenced by the particular waves of immigration that are occuring.

The maifa represented the same threat level to the average person as Islamic terrorism? Even at its height in America the mafia wasn't a threat to Joe Smith buying a loaf of bread at the supermarket. The murders committed by the mafia, while sometimes involving innocent people, are not comparable to a global terrorist organization whose sole purpose is to kill as many innocent people as possible.
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Mafia example is a good way to think about immigration. Once you have organised Sicilian Mafia or Islamic Terrorist orgs. what is the benefit of getting more of the same people (people from the same regions) into the country? Look at all these Mafia families today, what the fuck do they do 100 years later? Well , pretty much the same: steal, kill, mooch off government programs and put too much orange tan lotion in their hair.
Too bad not many people from Milan area wanted to be indentured serfs in great ol USA, else we might have had great mid century designers instead of mooks from Napoly.

Do people learn anything from the past? History shows that they don't.
Edited by Medwed - 9/14/16 at 11:29am
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Do people learn anything from the past? History shows that they don't.

Meta dumbassery?

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Not raise taxes? So the burden will fall on employers? I think if this is something society wants then society needs to pay for it directly. I mean, if the burden is placed on employers let's think of some industries with a very high level of female employees. First one? Healthcare! So up goes your healthcare costs. Next? Childcare! So these working mothers now pay more for childcare out of their pockets. Early education! Great, now school boards will need to raise property taxes.

Paid maternity leave, for both parents, is a great societal goal which means society must pay for it...which it will, one way or another.
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Originally Posted by origenesprit View Post

Trump and Ivanka outlined their childcare policy in a speech last night, which makes six week maternity leave mandatory and gives tax credits for parents. They say it won't raise taxes, but that seems unlikely. It's an unusual policy for a Repub.

Here's a link to Ivanka'a op-ed in the WSJ:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-trump-plan-will-help-working-mothers-1473803187?client=safari

Edit: Gib beat me to it. I think there's also some sort of credit for elder care as well.
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Just  another example of Hillarys' pandering. Oops! Never mind wrong thread

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Just  another example of Hillarys' pandering. Oops! Never mind wrong thread

Binders of women!
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Paid maternity leave, for both parents, is a great societal goal which means society must pay for it...which it will, one way or another.

It really is an interesting question, and there aren't any clear answers. Everything has a cost, and there's no obviously superior options. It's a pretty tough situation for dual income couples having kids right now though.


We've been watching this situation develop for 30+ years and haven't really done anything about it. It was inevitable as the female workforce participation rate grew, but we pretty much just settled on "doing nothing and letting individuals deal with it." You'd naturally assume that's had something to do with people having fewer kids, but the same thing has been happening in Socialist Paradise Europe so who knows.


It still amazes me that federal agencies don't all provide maternal leave. All the ridiculous benefits we get, and zero time off for having kids. You can burn leave though!
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It really is an interesting question, and there aren't any clear answers. Everything has a cost, and there's no obviously superior options. It's a pretty tough situation for dual income couples having kids right now though.


We've been watching this situation develop for 30+ years and haven't really done anything about it. It was inevitable as the female workforce participation rate grew, but we pretty much just settled on "doing nothing and letting individuals deal with it." You'd naturally assume that's had something to do with people having fewer kids, but the same thing has been happening in Socialist Paradise Europe so who knows.


It still amazes me that federal agencies don't all provide maternal leave. All the ridiculous benefits we get, and zero time off for having kids. You can burn leave though!

 

I much prefer the individual approach, but that's my general bias towards anything.  If you make leave mandatory, especially just for women, you will have unintended consequences and hurt those you are trying to help.  Just like minimum wage - it helps those that get the boost, but less people get hired, so it harms others (often times minority males in this case).


My industry generally has good maternity and paternity benefits, but I would trade them for more money right now, but as I look to have kids, that changes.  Those kinds of benefits are ways for companies to attract the type of talent they want.

 

But this is yet another example of how Republicans don't even pretend to be principled on issues and are focused solely on beating team blue.  But that's what politics actually is, just us vs them and the issues are just props.
 

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Not raise taxes? So the burden will fall on employers? I think if this is something society wants then society needs to pay for it directly. I mean, if the burden is placed on employers let's think of some industries with a very high level of female employees. First one? Healthcare! So up goes your healthcare costs. Next? Childcare! So these working mothers now pay more for childcare out of their pockets. Early education! Great, now school boards will need to raise property taxes.

Paid maternity leave, for both parents, is a great societal goal which means society must pay for it...which it will, one way or another.

Best way to do it is to give maternity AND paternity leave, also furthers equality between men and women. 6 weeks is a paltry length though, Canada has around one year with the before/after (before for the mother and after to be shared between the parents). Sweden has 480 days (!) but they can be divided any way they want between both partners and taken years after the child is born.
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Canada's policy is ridic tho. If a couple's voluntary choice to have a kid is a cost that *must* be borne wink.gif by all then at least incent employers to avoid childless fertile women a liiiidle less by having paid leave mandated at only 4 weeks. 3.5mos? Wtf is that? (I won't even get into the European policies mentioned as they seem to be on a frenzied quest to drive their productivity into the ground in all things anyway.)

And btw the 'well it's good for society/your country if you cover a smidgen of new births o/w where are the new citizens gonna come from?' argument is BS cuz »immigration«.

Also- »paternity« leave? Wtf is that too? A buddy in our crew took that and we taunted him mercilessly. I took a couple days off post B+0 and that's it. Both times. An infant - breast-fed or not - just spent 99% of its life to date living in mommy's stomach (so I understand) and yeah it 'recognizes dad's voice' blah blah but is waaay more attached to mommy. "Dad" should be at fucking work not on some kinda dadfare.
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^ Have twins. Maybe have a premature kid or a kid with whatever other serious issues at birth. Tell your wife she's alone and doesn't need your help.
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Best way to do it is to give maternity AND paternity leave, also furthers equality between men and women. 6 weeks is a paltry length though, Canada has around one year with the before/after (before for the mother and after to be shared between the parents). Sweden has 480 days (!) but they can be divided any way they want between both partners and taken years after the child is born.

I said to give it to both parents. I'm not arguing the length either I'm just saying if it's a societal goal society should pay for it or there's going to be some unintended consequences in the cost of things like healthcare. Take it from a guy who's workforce is easily 70% female.
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