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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

i didn't want to bog down with even more statistics, but

birth rates among the white native population is on part with japan and europe. the sections of the populations that are pumping out extra babies to compensate for that decline are the ones that up to one or two generations ago weren't in the US and certain "non indigenous" religious populations. hispanics especially but also foreign born "whites"

my point is foreign borns are driving population growth of the US which lessens the effect of the aging native population on US society, problems that are paramount in other developed nations.

As I said, agree with the overall point but much to the discomfiture of folks like Buda, there's a whole other conversation on who is and is not pumping out babies in the US.
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when you wrote buda i was thinking of the bodhi tree and was confused
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If we can start by deporting canadianbaire, I could get behind Trump's immigration plan.

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So much for Trumps' pivot on immigration, huh? It's hard to tell if this stuff is deliberate with Trump. Was the "pivot" real but sloppily done? A sham (but sloppily done)? Who knows! But we're back on track.



There's a Reihan Salam article out today basically saying that Trump is poisoning the well about immigration. Being extreme has gotten him enough support in the nativist community to win the nomination, but likely not enough to win and it's going to make the subject radioactive for the next Republican to run. And the Democrats now have incentive to run away from those positions.
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

If we can start by deporting canadianbaire, I could get behind Trump's immigration plan.

You know, with the fucking idiots you guys allowed to run for POTUS this time? I'd fucking embrace deportation this morning.
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There is no "far left" in US politics, at least nothing resembling what it is traditionally defined as. Also nobody has yet defined what "US culture" is outside maybe some relation to economic prosperity so I dont know what is being discussed.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

So much for Trumps' pivot on immigration, huh? It's hard to tell if this stuff is deliberate with Trump. Was the "pivot" real but sloppily done? A sham (but sloppily done)? Who knows! But we're back on track.



There's a Reihan Salam article out today basically saying that Trump is poisoning the well about immigration. Being extreme has gotten him enough support in the nativist community to win the nomination, but likely not enough to win and it's going to make the subject radioactive for the next Republican to run. And the Democrats now have incentive to run away from those positions.

The Bern was rather nativist and it seemed to play well. The Bern just hid it under leftwing economic platforms which actually does seem to sell quite well to many segments.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


Agree with your overall point, but as Vini just pointed out, the "native population" is actually a conglomeration of various populations, and some of those segments are indeed pumping babies out like a production line. Other segments, like the ones you and I belong to, not so much. I will leave it to more progressive thinkers than myself, like Buda, to decide whether this may or may not be problematic on a number of levels.

It may or may not be problematic on a number of levels, just as perceptions as to how problematic it is may be problematic or not on a number of levels.  Thank you.  Thank you very much.

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Originally Posted by the shah View Post

There is no "far left" in US politics, at least nothing resembling what it is traditionally defined as. Also nobody has yet defined what "US culture" is outside maybe some relation to economic prosperity so I dont know what is being discussed.

SHUDDUP ya furriner.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


As I said, agree with the overall point but much to the discomfiture of folks like Buda, there's a whole other conversation on who is and is not pumping out babies in the US.


I has discomfiture?  Thanks for telling me.

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Originally Posted by budapest12 View Post


I has discomfiture?  Thanks for telling me.

Just look at the trail of thumbs and it's apparent.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

The Bern was rather nativist and it seemed to play well. The Bern just hid it under leftwing economic platforms which actually does seem to sell quite well to many segments.

Wasn't his stuff more about trade?


It's really too bad that this discussion ends up happening under the umbrella of Trump. There really is a need to fix our immigration system, and having any restrictions on immigration contaminated by "Trump" the character and his nativist fan club isn't doing the adult argument any favors.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


Just look at the trail of thumbs and it's apparent.


Yuck, thanks for making me super uncomfortable.

 

You're right - I officially has discomfiture.

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


You know, with the fucking idiots you guys allowed to run for POTUS this time? I'd fucking embrace deportation this morning.


You can voluntarily deport yourself you know.  Otherwise you might want to ignore those HOA fence rules because the proles are coming with their pitch forks.

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Originally Posted by the shah View Post

There is no "far left" in US politics, at least nothing resembling what it is traditionally defined as. Also nobody has yet defined what "US culture" is outside maybe some relation to economic prosperity so I dont know what is being discussed.

 

Well, define traditional far left. 

 

I would say that would be a classical liberal doctrine so very focused on the rights of individuals and the idea of government's role to protect natural rights.  So Hobbes, Adam Smith, etc.  That is pretty close to libertarianism today.

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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


Wasn't his stuff more about trade?


It's really too bad that this discussion ends up happening under the umbrella of Trump. There really is a need to fix our immigration system, and having any restrictions on immigration contaminated by "Trump" the character and his nativist fan club isn't doing the adult argument any favors.


No, he also wanted to eliminate temporary workers and stuff because that was big corporations exploiting foreigners and stealing jobs from hard working Americans.

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