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You would love this guy and his "great replacement" theory:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaud_Camus

He had to pay a fine for espousing that theory? That's interesting.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

He had to pay a fine for espousing that theory? That's interesting.

More complicated than that but "free speech" as americans see it (still restricted, as you know) doesn't exist in that form in most (all?) the rest of the Western world. It is especially true for anything that may evoke a recent past we all know about...

Note: "incitation à la haine raciale" is literally translated as "inciting racial hatred" but the term "hate speech" would be a better translation. He was basically sued and lost, we're not talking about a fine here (like a traffic violation).
post #5283 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

More complicated than that but "free speech" as americans see it (still restricted, as you know) doesn't exist in that form in most (all?) the rest of the Western world. It is especially true for anything that may evoke a recent past we all know about...

Note: "incitation à la haine raciale" is literally translated as "inciting racial hatred" but the term "hate speech" would be a better translation. He was basically sued and lost, we're not talking about a fine here (like a traffic violation).

Agreed, and it at least seems to me, France and Germany lead the way in regards to this type of legislation. Canada's "Human Rights Tribunal" is making a name for itself these days.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Agreed, and it at least seems to me, France and Germany lead the way in regards to this type of legislation. Canada's "Human Rights Tribunal" is making a name for itself these days.

I wouldn't know about who is leading the way, to be honest it is the general state of affairs to have legislation against hate speech, I think Americans basically add that it has to create immediate danger or something of the sort ("hey guys, go kill these black people over there, quick!"). Canada's HRC was criticized a couple yrs ago for something that they've since changed but maybe you're talking about something else. Right now most people complaining about free speech in the Western world are basically sad they can't say nigger or harass people online so I'm not sure it is such a pressing social issue...

I still prefer the American free speech principles in isolation but hey, once again, the distinction isn't that big in practice and the consequences it has had in your political context (legalized bribery for political campaigns and corporations free speeching their way into total power) not worth the aggravation.
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The biggest recent "free speech" thing I've heard about is FB censoring breast cancer awareness posts. However, free speech doesn't cover FB so it's just another stupid FB thing.
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I wouldn't know about who is leading the way, to be honest it is the general state of affairs to have legislation against hate speech, I think Americans basically add that it has to create immediate danger or something of the sort ("hey guys, go kill these black people over there, quick!"). Canada's HRC was criticized a couple yrs ago for something that they've since changed but maybe you're talking about something else. Right now most people complaining about free speech in the Western world are basically sad they can't say nigger or harass people online so I'm not sure it is such a pressing social issue...

I still prefer the American free speech principles in isolation but hey, once again, the distinction isn't that big in practice and the consequences it has had in your political context (legalized bribery for political campaigns and corporations free speeching their way into total power) not worth the aggravation.
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The biggest recent "free speech" thing I've heard about is FB censoring breast cancer awareness posts. However, free speech doesn't cover FB so it's just another stupid FB thing.

FB is basically a spying machine selling brain availability (i.e. eyes) and gathering/trading/consolidating customer info (big data=fuck). Sure their automated (or not automated but retarded) censoring tool seems bogus but that is the least of the problems they create for society.
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

FB is basically a spying machine selling brain availability (i.e. eyes) and gathering/trading/consolidating customer info (big data=fuck). Sure their automated (or not automated but retarded) censoring tool seems bogus but that is the least of the problems they create for society.

I would say the biggest societal problem they've either created or really promulgated is duck face.
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The biggest recent "free speech" thing I've heard about is FB censoring breast cancer awareness posts. ...
Please to explain
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Please to explain

I've read a few blurbs that FB was deleting/canceling pages and posts to do with breast cancer awareness due to the word "breast." It was quickly deemed to be a First violation by the hive mind.
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

You would love this guy and his "great replacement" theory:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaud_Camus

Interesting...

Wonder what his thoughts are on Morocco, and the "mutation" that went on there.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/pastor-trump-black-voters-1.3742438

Black pastor in Detroit will have Trump come to his Sunday service then interview him on air over the Xtian cable network he and his wife started. Plans to ask Trump if he's a racist. Would anyone like to bet this interview will quickly go off the rails?
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


I've read a few blurbs that FB was deleting/canceling pages and posts to do with breast cancer awareness due to the word "breast." It was quickly deemed to be a First violation by the hive mind.

 

For fun I go into vegan restaurants (I still can't believe they're a thing) and start chanting vegetables are murder.  Then I get all indignant on how they're trying to harsh on my first amendment rights.

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/pastor-trump-black-voters-1.3742438

Black pastor in Detroit will have Trump come to his Sunday service then interview him on air over the Xtian cable network he and his wife started. Plans to ask Trump if he's a racist. Would anyone like to bet this interview will quickly go off the rails?


Except for an out of the closet Klansman who would answer the question "Are you a racist?" with "I sure am!"

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Except for an out of the closet Klansman who would answer the question "Are you a racist?" with "I sure am!"

I expect JUGE protests and possibly a donnybrook.
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For fun I go into vegan restaurants (I still can't believe they're a thing) and start chanting vegetables are murder.  Then I get all indignant on how they're trying to harsh on my first amendment rights.

You can't believe vegan restaurants are a thing? Really?
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