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post #5056 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Someone recently told me:
Is capital punishment not a form of violence?

Sure it is violence. Like WWll. You rather the Nazis won?
post #5057 of 8748
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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

As YHWH says to the prophet Jeremiah, "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee." From this passage, we can safely extrapolate that divine foreknowledge precedes conception, and that birth is a manifestation of a divine decision that is anterior to time.

In the case of an aborted fetus:

1) either God did not decree and foreknow that life, so aborting it was a manifestation of his mysterious will
2) or God did decree or foreknow but human action proved him wrong

If we entertain possibility 2) then we must also think that it's possible that other actions (wearing a condom, pulling out, or just plain neglecting to impregnate an egg) might also thwart God's knowledge and will. That is, every time a woman has a period, God might be really peeved, muttering to himself, "Medammit, I had named that one Pete! Turns out I was wrong! I HATE it when that happens!" So to avoid this divine embarrassment, we should not only outlaw abortion but also outlaw the failure to fertilize any and every human egg.

That seems implausible and also downright blasphemous, so we should stick to 1). In that case, abortion might be akin to any other manifestation of God's will that still leaves the human agent culpable (God is really, really annoying this way). Except there's a catch: in other cases (like murder, let's say), the sinful action that God has nonetheless foreseen (if not out and out decreed) manifests God's will in the real world. In the case of the aborted fetus, nothing is manifested in the world--it's as if God had actively willed nobody to be born and was then mad at us for not giving birth to anyone. That seems like the work of a bored God who entertains himself with acts of petulance.

There's only one way out of this dilemma. When God speaks to Jeremiah, he clearly draws a distinction between conception & fetal development ("formed thee in the belly"), on the one hand, and birth ("camest forth out of the womb") on the other. Divine foreknowledge happens with the former; election and sanctification happens before the latter. Clearly, this means that all fetuses are known by God as human life, but not all fetuses are sanctified. Abortion is an almighty God's judgment upon the world. Calling it wrong is blasphemy.

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This is a nice twist on the omniscience, omnibenevolent, omnipotent dilemma
post #5058 of 8748
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Originally Posted by greger View Post

Well, if you want to turn to scripture, then there are the two in the womb God called brothers. So, already people. Killing innocent people still is murder.

Despite all your talk of morality, you have a very, very poor grasp of biblical hermeneutics.

I shall pray for you.
post #5059 of 8748
Republicans only worry about babies while they are inside uterus once they are born it is Democrat's job to take care of them for the rest of their lives.
post #5060 of 8748
Most people would agree abortions should be legal up to a certain arbitrary moment like 12 or 24months. It's not a morally easy choice and not really black and white, it would best if mother decided that in her own conscience.
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I think the infant surviving independent of the mom is a good demarcation line. Greger's "person" point starts to hold amniotic fluid once you're looking at the lil cctv and l'enfant is waving at you, scratching his/her foot, etc. Late term exceptions for mom/baby's health notwithstanding.

But, as cleric eric rightly deduced from His Word, it's tough to call some little non-sentient bundle of cells the size of your fingernail a "person". That's just life potential to me.

Moreover, three months is a good amount of time to get your shit together and book a 10minute "operation" that's really not much different from having your period.

...unfortunately greger's good Christian confrères have made the simple act of "booking" the abortion so cruelly difficult in Texas and other states you've got these very disturbing tales of raped 13 year old girls being trapped into motherhood.

If God existed I'd wager he'd be very pissed off with these folks.
post #5062 of 8748
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

Most people would agree abortions should be legal up to a certain arbitrary moment like 12 or 24months. It's not a morally easy choice and not really black and white, it would best if mother decided that in her own conscience.
Slightly generous but ok.
post #5063 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Someone recently told me:

Is capital punishment not a form of violence?
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Originally Posted by greger View Post

Sure it is violence. Like WWll. You rather the Nazis won?

post #5064 of 8748
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Originally Posted by greger View Post

Sure it is violence. Like WWll. You rather the Nazis won?

Let's just ignore the crappy analogy and deal with your previous comments. So now violence is okay sometimes, and not okay other times. It must be difficult staying on top of when a universal is true and not true.
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http://gawker.com/ivanka-trump-hanging-out-in-croatia-with-vladimir-putin-1785290129

Ivanka Trump Hanging Out in Croatia With Vladimir Putin's Girlfriend

Perfectly timed vacation IMO. No better way to show the world there's nothing to these rumors of close Trump-Putin ties.
post #5066 of 8748

Would hit.

post #5067 of 8748
The Trump people are just the best at messaging.


I doubt this one goes anywhere, but Trump is literally day to day with new dumbfuck errors.
post #5068 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

The Trump people are just the best at messaging.


I doubt this one goes anywhere, but Trump is literally day to day with new dumbfuck errors.

 

Yeah, it isn't like his opponent's husband was on a private plane parked in an airport with someone in charge of investigating his wife just a week or two before they announced no charges would be filed.

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post #5070 of 8748
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post
 

 

Yeah, it isn't like his opponent's husband was on a private plane parked in an airport with someone in charge of investigating his wife just a week or two before they announced no charges would be filed.


That was incredibly stupid but he's not doing stuff like that DAILY.  People are paid to watch Bill and he may in fact have a leash literally put on him from time to time. 

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