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Originally Posted by the shah View Post

from what I've gathered, it has something to do with scheduling meet-ups at gay truck stops ?

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post #5042 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

I, for one, am glad that we have social conservatives like greger around to be the absolute arbiters of morality, which is the unquestioned foundation of our system of laws. It's refreshing to have such clarity in an uncertain world.

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post #5043 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Plato wrote about techniques of abortion. The Romans were all over it, supposedly driving several abortifacient herbs to extinction.

Since you so strongly believe in abortion, lets start with you. Perhaps you are a hypocrite, instead? Morality, can man change it? No doubt we can argue about what is and isn't. There are a few rules. Obviously if you are a hypocrite you stepping on morality. Denying it is like a billy goat peeing on himself, thinking that makes him big. We all break some rules, but murder is still murder. To defeat the purpose of laws by government installing phoney laws. Where is the win? You like to deceive yourself? How is that a win? Hiding behind a lie doesn't change the facts. If murdering the most innocent is legal then all law enforcement is defeated. If you are right, there would be nothing wrong with someone walking up behind you and shooting you in the back of the head. Man doesn't get to draw the line in the sand. Sometimes morality is unclear. But, when not, there should be consequence. Pointing out in history (hiding behind it) what errors great men said doesn't help anyone. No doubt, if abortionists got their just do, capital punishment, many would have a greater respect for life. Want to get rid of some of these mass-murders, get rid of abortion. Take away any reason to do murder. If a group of people, such as a country, can make up foolish laws, some individuals will use that reasoning and do the same. Some things are mechanical; you don't put mustard where the water goes, nor sand where the oil goes, tires aren't pumped up with gasoline, don't pump pebbles where the grease goes, nor does putting carrots in the fuel tank helps. Abortions are violence. It would be nice if Americans stood up against this plague of thought. All who do violence started down the thought road that lead to the violence. If you don't want violence, then shut those doors.
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Originally Posted by greger View Post

Since you so strongly believe in abortion, lets start with you. Perhaps you are a hypocrite, instead? Morality, can man change it? No doubt we can argue about what is and isn't. There are a few rules. Obviously if you are a hypocrite you stepping on morality. Denying it is like a billy goat peeing on himself, thinking that makes him big. We all break some rules, but murder is still murder. To defeat the purpose of laws by government installing phoney laws. Where is the win? You like to deceive yourself? How is that a win? Hiding behind a lie doesn't change the facts. If murdering the most innocent is legal then all law enforcement is defeated. If you are right, there would be nothing wrong with someone walking up behind you and shooting you in the back of the head. Man doesn't get to draw the line in the sand. Sometimes morality is unclear. But, when not, there should be consequence. Pointing out in history (hiding behind it) what errors great men said doesn't help anyone. No doubt, if abortionists got their just do, capital punishment, many would have a greater respect for life. Want to get rid of some of these mass-murders, get rid of abortion. Take away any reason to do murder. If a group of people, such as a country, can make up foolish laws, some individuals will use that reasoning and do the same. Some things are mechanical; you don't put mustard where the water goes, nor sand where the oil goes, tires aren't pumped up with gasoline, don't pump pebbles where the grease goes, nor does putting carrots in the fuel tank helps. Abortions are violence. It would be nice if Americans stood up against this plague of thought. All who do violence started down the thought road that lead to the violence. If you don't want violence, then shut those doors.

So capital punishment is not a form of violence?
post #5045 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Somehow I figure you're the one breathing a sigh of relief as the real world is probably a scary place for you.

Your statement reminds me of this, "Brave men do brave things. Foolish people want not to know better". Ha! Twisted your brain, huh?
post #5046 of 8748
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Originally Posted by greger View Post

Your statement reminds me of this, "Brave men do brave things. Foolish people want not to know better". Ha! Twisted your brain, huh?

So not going to answer my question?
post #5047 of 8748
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Originally Posted by greger View Post

Since you so strongly believe in abortion, lets start with you. Perhaps you are a hypocrite, instead? Morality, can man change it? No doubt we can argue about what is and isn't. There are a few rules. Obviously if you are a hypocrite you stepping on morality. Denying it is like a billy goat peeing on himself, thinking that makes him big. We all break some rules, but murder is still murder. To defeat the purpose of laws by government installing phoney laws. Where is the win? You like to deceive yourself? How is that a win? Hiding behind a lie doesn't change the facts. If murdering the most innocent is legal then all law enforcement is defeated. If you are right, there would be nothing wrong with someone walking up behind you and shooting you in the back of the head. Man doesn't get to draw the line in the sand. Sometimes morality is unclear. But, when not, there should be consequence. Pointing out in history (hiding behind it) what errors great men said doesn't help anyone. No doubt, if abortionists got their just do, capital punishment, many would have a greater respect for life. Want to get rid of some of these mass-murders, get rid of abortion. Take away any reason to do murder. If a group of people, such as a country, can make up foolish laws, some individuals will use that reasoning and do the same. Some things are mechanical; you don't put mustard where the water goes, nor sand where the oil goes, tires aren't pumped up with gasoline, don't pump pebbles where the grease goes, nor does putting carrots in the fuel tank helps. Abortions are violence. It would be nice if Americans stood up against this plague of thought. All who do violence started down the thought road that lead to the violence. If you don't want violence, then shut those doors.

Those sure are a lot of words.
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Originally Posted by budapest12 View Post

Incorrect.

Actually, maybe you are not wanted around here. Maybe a vote should be taken to see who likes you?
post #5049 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Those sure are a lot of words.

Simple they may be. But, where is the lack of truth?
post #5050 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

So capital punishment is not a form of violence?

That's a dumb question! You trying to justify abortion as equal to capital punishment? That is a lousy way to try and duck your conscience. If you didn't have a conscience you wouldn't have put it up. Trickery and treachery, do you run with the wrong crowd?
post #5051 of 8748
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Originally Posted by greger View Post

That's a dumb question! You trying to justify abortion as equal to capital punishment? That is a lousy way to try and duck your conscience. If you didn't have a conscience you wouldn't have put it up. Trickery and treachery, do you run with the wrong crowd?

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All who do violence started down the thought road that lead to the violence. If you don't want violence, then shut those doors.

Is capital punishment not a form of violence?
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Edited by budapest12 - 8/14/16 at 7:00pm
post #5053 of 8748
I vote for Greger. Abortion is murder.

..well, as soon as the kid can live o/s the mom. Before that she's got like 3 months to hit flush on that sucker.

And I don't really need an explanation. None'a'my business.
post #5054 of 8748
As YHWH says to the prophet Jeremiah, "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee." From this passage, we can safely extrapolate that divine foreknowledge precedes conception, and that birth is a manifestation of a divine decision that is anterior to time.

In the case of an aborted fetus:

1) either God did not decree and foreknow that life, so aborting it was a manifestation of his mysterious will
2) or God did decree or foreknow but human action proved him wrong

If we entertain possibility 2) then we must also think that it's possible that other actions (wearing a condom, pulling out, or just plain neglecting to impregnate an egg) might also thwart God's knowledge and will. That is, every time a woman has a period, God might be really peeved, muttering to himself, "Medammit, I had named that one Pete! Turns out I was wrong! I HATE it when that happens!" So to avoid this divine embarrassment, we should not only outlaw abortion but also outlaw the failure to fertilize any and every human egg.

That seems implausible and also downright blasphemous, so we should stick to 1). In that case, abortion might be akin to any other manifestation of God's will that still leaves the human agent culpable (God is really, really annoying this way). Except there's a catch: in other cases (like murder, let's say), the sinful action that God has nonetheless foreseen (if not out and out decreed) manifests God's will in the real world. In the case of the aborted fetus, nothing is manifested in the world--it's as if God had actively willed nobody to be born and was then mad at us for not giving birth to anyone. That seems like the work of a bored God who entertains himself with acts of petulance.

There's only one way out of this dilemma. When God speaks to Jeremiah, he clearly draws a distinction between conception & fetal development ("formed thee in the belly"), on the one hand, and birth ("camest forth out of the womb") on the other. Divine foreknowledge happens with the former; election and sanctification happens before the latter. Clearly, this means that all fetuses are known by God as human life, but not all fetuses are sanctified. Abortion is an almighty God's judgment upon the world. Calling it wrong is blasphemy.

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post #5055 of 8748
Well, if you want to turn to scripture, then there are the two in the womb God called brothers. So, already people. Killing innocent people still is murder.
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