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Was there any reason, at the time, to think that an extra year (or five years) was going to make the difference?

Yes..? But smarter people can articulate the "why" better than I can.
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Won't be looking here for awhile. You guys can breathe a sigh of relief.

Somehow I figure you're the one breathing a sigh of relief as the real world is probably a scary place for you.
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I gotta run. Won't be looking here for awhile. You guys can breathe a sigh of relief.

We actually do like having you around.
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What has Clinton said about gun manufacturer's? Have you been paying attention for the last several years? Is it opening the door so they can be falsely accused and sued out of business?

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Vox wrote an article on various positions she's taken over the years. Her recent stance is much softer than it used to and is far more middle than left

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/14/11922924/hillary-clinton-gun-control

They also had one on how Swedish gun control laws work.

Dems actually haven't been able to pass any gun control laws since the recent shootings so I don't know where you're getting "sheep getting freedoms taken away. They coming for your guns herp derp" stuff from

I think we all agree gun use should be regulated. Background checks and restrictions of certain groups seem sensible to me. Maybe have to undergo gun education like you have to for driving

I'm not aware of a major political party who has a goal of chipping away at driving rights until ultimately nobody can drive, or drive on an extremely limited basis. It would take a lot of gall to deny that most liberal politicians are doing just that. Of course Hillary isn't going to announce that she wants to abolish the 2nd Amendment, and Obama wasn't going to announce that illegal aliens would eventually participate in Obamacare. The idea was absurd at the time (remember Joe Wilson?), and now Hillary is actively pursuing it. It's about slowly acclimating people and picking up where the previous administration left off, coupled with changing the country's demographics as fast as possible in order to speed the whole thing up.

The idea that Hillary supports the 2nd Amendment and just wants a few minor tweaks to current laws is nothing to be believed by anyone who has even a rudimentary understanding of progressive government.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

I, for one, am glad that we have social conservatives like greger around to be the absolute arbiters of morality, which is the unquestioned foundation of our system of laws. It's refreshing to have such clarity in an uncertain world.

Without social conservative fathers, who will the hot daughters of America rebel against?
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We actually do like having you around.

 

Incorrect.

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Originally Posted by origenesprit View Post

Without social conservative fathers, who will the hot daughters of America rebel against?

That's why we need immigrants. A continuous supply of daughters rebelling against the conservative and regressive norms of their parent's homelands.


Diversity is truly our strength.
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I'm not aware of a major political party who has a goal of chipping away at driving rights until ultimately nobody can drive, or drive on an extremely limited basis. It would take a lot of gall to deny that most liberal politicians are doing just that. Of course Hillary isn't going to announce that she wants to abolish the 2nd Amendment, and Obama wasn't going to announce that illegal aliens would eventually participate in Obamacare. The idea was absurd at the time (remember Joe Wilson?), and now Hillary is actively pursuing it. It's about slowly acclimating people and picking up where the previous administration left off, coupled with changing the country's demographics as fast as possible in order to speed the whole thing up.

The idea that Hillary supports the 2nd Amendment and just wants a few minor tweaks to current laws is nothing to be believed by anyone who has even a rudimentary understanding of progressive government.

it's more like a major political party who has a goal of requiring drivers license according to a federal standard so reckless drivers stop killing others.

nobody thinks that a minor tweak. nobody wants a minor tweak cuz everybody is tired of hearing about the newest mass shooting.

to break the metaphor a lot of states you can literally just walk in and buy a gun no permit required. you just walk in hand them your driver's license and agree to a background check using a useless database. not to mention you can get guns from a private seller (or gun shows in a vast majority of states) without any kind of background check.

this would be like if you buy a car from a dealer you need a driver's license to drive it, but you don't if you buy the car from your friend (or at a car fair). a simple background check for the mentally ill would have prevented the virginia shooting. background checks for private sellers would have prevented the 2012 wisconsin shooting.

or at least let cdc study the problem

to me if you're a responsible gun owner you should be fighting to have all gun owners share in responsibility. it's not just about rights. there's a reckless few that are endangering public perception of your rights. a proactive preemptive stance would seem most prudent to me if you want to keep responsibly using your guns. this to me would include some sort of legitimate way that actually works to keep ignorant ill intentioned people from shooting other people. why not require newbies to go through some education and test like you would for your own children

this doesn't have to mean "taking away your guns herp derp". but if mass shootings proliferate it's going to eventually come to that even if you dont want it to



hillary has actually written gun policy proposals on her website. if i could somehow convince you that a republican wrote i highly doubt you would disagree with the bulk of the proposals (except maybe the abuse of administrative action against a conservative position and the threat to increase liability for gun manufacturers for their products). trump's proposals simply say let's fix the problem without saying how he'd fix it
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

That's why we need immigrants. A continuous supply of daughters rebelling against the conservative and regressive norms of their parent's homelands.


Diversity is truly our strength.

Check your first world privilege, brah. Some countries are actually more liberal and permissive than the US.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Check your first world privilege, brah. Some countries are actually more liberal and permissive than the US.

Yeah but those are the ones that people keep complaining aren't sending people over here anymore.
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  Those Lutheran extremists tho

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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

That's why we need immigrants. A continuous supply of daughters rebelling against the conservative and regressive norms of their parent's homelands.


Diversity is truly our strength.

You mean the Mia Khalifas of the world, I assume.
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Meh. . .
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post


to break the metaphor a lot of states you can literally just walk in and buy a gun no permit required. you just walk in hand them your driver's license and agree to a background check using a useless database. not to mention you can get guns from a private seller (or gun shows in a vast majority of states) without any kind of background check.
 

 

I think it is ridiculous that I have to have a permit to exercise a Constitutional right.  I'm okay with the background check, but only just okay.  As for private sellers or gun show loopholes.  The gun show loophole is only for private sellers.  If you're an FFL at a gun show, you have to do a background check.  For private sellers, it seems like an onerous process to complete, and if we required private sales to do the process, people would ignore the law, and if it ever came up, the seller would go "Oh, hey, it must have been stolen... I have no idea where it was."

 

99.9% of gun owners are law abiding citizens and have much lower crime rates than the average citizen (especially permit to carry holders).

 

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 this would be like if you buy a car from a dealer you need a driver's license to drive it, but you don't if you buy the car from your friend (or at a car fair). a simple background check for the mentally ill would have prevented the virginia shooting. background checks for private sellers would have prevented the 2012 wisconsin shooting.

There are privacy rights issues with doing a mental health check.  That may be a slippery slope.

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 to me if you're a responsible gun owner you should be fighting to have all gun owners share in responsibility. it's not just about rights. there's a reckless few that are endangering public perception of your rights. a proactive preemptive stance would seem most prudent to me if you want to keep responsibly using your guns.

 

Rights shouldn't be trampled because some people abuse them.  People will just find other ways to kill each other.  Bombs, knives, cars, whatever.  We have been doing it since the dawn of man.  Most shootings are gang on gang crime.  You want to decrease gun violence?  Legalize drugs.  You want to decrease mass shootings?  More people carrying is probably a good start - mass shootings stopped by an armed citizen has far fewer deaths than one stopped by the police.

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Meh. . .

 

Definitely "meh" before

 

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But surely not after

 

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