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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

I feel like if O'Reilly said 12 he would've said 12. Doesn't really give me confidence that he knows what he's talking about or really if there is even anything going on in his head. He just has this vague notion that there should be a minimum wage, it should or shouldn't be higher, the Feds should maybe set a higher one, but let the states decide. I don't think he has any clue on how to actually implement this or how he would even get a bill past the house or senate


if you gave trump a policy briefing would he be even able to understand it? if there was evidence his views are wrong would he be able to admit he's wrong and switch? cuz i feel like he would only accept "facts" that endorse whatever new conspiracy he thinks of next

But he said $10. I watched that show, it was a clouded answer but that shouldn't surprise anyone. He's running for office. What do you think the federal minimum wage should be?

I realize this is important to people who make minimum wage, but considering the consequences of other issues, what we pay people who work at McDonalds isn't at the top of my list of concerns.
post #4427 of 8748
All this talk about minimum wage is as useless as talks about abortion. Who the fuck can live on minimum wage of 8.00, 10.00 or 14.00 an hour-it is still poverty.
Do we need government mandated minimum wage or do we need workers to organise and demand better wages from employers? Would not organised labor be in line with "Free market" mantra we hear day in and day out?
What is preventing workers from organising? Probably the same government that double-talks about minimum wage.
post #4428 of 8748
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

I feel like if O'Reilly said 12 he would've said 12. Doesn't really give me confidence that he knows what he's talking about or really if there is even anything going on in his head. He just has this vague notion that there should be a minimum wage, it should or shouldn't be higher, the Feds should maybe set a higher one, but let the states decide. I don't think he has any clue on how to actually implement this or how he would even get a bill past the house or senate


if you gave trump a policy briefing would he be even able to understand it? if there was evidence his views are wrong would he be able to admit he's wrong and switch? cuz i feel like he would only accept "facts" that endorse whatever new conspiracy he thinks of next

 

You're right.

 

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post


Yes, perhaps so. I don't care really. Just disappointed that the article I read when I made my original comment was fake. With all the shit trump says it isn't needed.

A small part of my libertarianism thinks a trump might not be so bad if your hypothesis is true. Government grinding to a halt is better than bipartisan patriot acts and the like.

 

Let's break this down a little because I'm not sure what article you saw or what was fake about it:

 

O'REILLY: There has to be a federal minimum wage.

TRUMP: They do. They do.

O'REILLY: What would you set the federal minimum wage at?

TRUMP: There doesn't have to be. Well, I would leave it and raise it somewhat. You need to help people. And I know it's not very Republican to say.

O'REILLY: Well, give me 10 bucks?

TRUMP: I would say 10. I would say 10.

O'REILLY: All right.

TRUMP: But, with the understanding that somebody like me is going to bring back jobs, I don't want people to be in that $10 category for very long. But, the thing is, Bill, let the states make the deal.

 

Yes, he says 10 bucks (agrees with line he is given) but he also clearly indicates there doesn't have to be a federal minimum wage and that the states, rather than the federal government, should address the minimum wage issue.  Which means his response (1) seems to be a nod in favor of raising the federal minimum wage to $10/hour, (2) but also suggests no federal minimum wage is an idea Trump can get behind, and (3) letting the "states make the deal" means no increase in the federal minimum wage at all.  Maybe the federal minimum wage is a floor that can't be lowered by the states.  Maybe not -- "there doesn't have to be".  He's catching himself after repeating "they do. they do." in response to a previous question.  He's responding to "there has to be a federal minimum minimum wage."  

 

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Originally Posted by suited View Post


But he said $10. I watched that show, it was a clouded answer but that shouldn't surprise anyone. He's running for office. What do you think the federal minimum wage should be?

I realize this is important to people who make minimum wage, but considering the consequences of other issues, what we pay people who work at McDonalds isn't at the top of my list of concerns.

 

We need to get back to the important issues like roving bands of dark people burning down our cities and raping our women.

 

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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

All this talk about minimum wage is as useless as talks about abortion. Who the fuck can live on minimum wage of 8.00, 10.00 or 14.00 an hour-it is still poverty.
Do we need government mandated minimum wage or do we need workers to organise and demand better wages from employers? Would not organised labor be in line with "Free market" mantra we hear day in and day out?
What is preventing workers from organising? Probably the same government that double-talks about minimum wage.

 [Edited - brain cannot even compute the above.]


Edited by budapest12 - 7/28/16 at 4:25am
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Originally Posted by budapest12 View Post

You're right.


Let's break this down a little because I'm not sure what article you saw or what was fake about it:

O'REILLY: There has to be a federal minimum wage.
TRUMP: They do. They do.
O'REILLY: What would you set the federal minimum wage at?
TRUMP: There doesn't have to be. Well, I would leave it and raise it somewhat. You need to help people. And I know it's not very Republican to say.
O'REILLY: Well, give me 10 bucks?
TRUMP: I would say 10. I would say 10.
O'REILLY: All right.
TRUMP: But, with the understanding that somebody like me is going to bring back jobs, I don't want people to be in that $10 category for very long. But, the thing is, Bill, let the states make the deal.

Yes, he says 10 bucks (agrees with line he is given) but he also clearly indicates there doesn't have to be a federal minimum wage and that the states, rather than the federal government, should address the minimum wage issue.  Which means his response (1) seems to be a nod in favor of raising the federal minimum wage to $10/hour, (2) but also suggests no federal minimum wage is an idea Trump can get behind, and (3) letting the "states make the deal" means no increase in the federal minimum wage at all.  Maybe the federal minimum wage is a floor that can't be lowered by the states.  Maybe not -- "there doesn't have to be".  He's catching himself after repeating "they do. they do." in response to a previous question.  He's responding to "there has to be a federal minimum minimum wage."  


We need to get back to the important issues like roving bands of dark people burning down our cities and raping our women.

So the problem is that Obama is anti-organized labor?  You may want to run for office on the Republican ticket.

This part I didn't catch, but so basically his position is that there doesn't have to be federal minimum wage, but if there is he could do $10 for federal minimum wage, but states should decide. so yeah. crystal clear what he would actually try to do.

personally would prefer minimum wage to be tied to cost of living and inflation rather than some round pretty number. $10 or $15 for minimum wage makes no sense. a business paying $15/hr in NY is very different from one paying $15/hr in middle of nowhere Arkansas

He did an AMA
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4uxdbn/im_donald_j_trump_and_im_your_next_president_of/


I read through his policies on his website. i really really hate how there are no sources (except the immigration one) or details or evidence why his proposals are needed and how he would implement them. i could totally see how people would support them. they're so incredibly simple (minded) and easily sloganified/sound bited.

"let's eliminate a bunch of tax brackets, slash tax rates for businesses, eliminate a bunch of these other taxes. but trust me the proposals are revenue neutral" "let's make companies hire americans before immigrants cuz you know MURIKA" "let's fix the mental health system! we need real solutions" (but of course no actual solutions are provided)
post #4430 of 8748
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

I read through his policies on his website. i really really hate how there are no sources (except the immigration one) or details or evidence why his proposals are needed and how he would implement them. i could totally see how people would support them. they're so incredibly simple (minded) and easily sloganified/sound bited.

I like how you call people simple minded while displaying total lack of inteligence in your comment. What type of idiot would expect a politican to have complete detailed plan of his policies on his/her website? It's ammunition for his opponents. You wonder why Trump will not release his taxes? Same reason.
post #4431 of 8748
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

I like how you call people simply minded while displaying total lack of inteligence in your comment. What type of idiot would expect a politican to have complete detailed plan of his policies on his/her website? It's ammunition for his opponents. You wonder why Trump will not release his taxes? Same reason.
Lolz, only every other candidate in the past 40 years would release taxes. Fools! They are no match for the intellect of Trump, God-Emperor.
post #4432 of 8748
apparently you're not and the bar isn't particularily high
post #4433 of 8748
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

I like how you call people simple minded while displaying total lack of inteligence in your comment. What type of idiot would expect a politican to have complete detailed plan of his policies on his/her website? It's ammunition for his opponents. You wonder why Trump will not release his taxes? Same reason.

so it's a lack of "inteligence" to umm.. want more information about his policies? you know the kind that pretty much every other presidential candidate has had and expounded on?

you prefer him to talk out of his ass? and i'm the idiot?


why the fuck would i care about his tax returns...
post #4434 of 8748
not to want, but to expect it, and no most policy information is intentionally vague you can't disagree with something if you don't know the details, the person who provided most detailed and nuanced positions got his ass handed to him and his 'detailed, nuanced stance' produced healines like this WSJ:“Price Tag of Bernie Sanders's Proposals: $18 Trillion'. Obama run on 'hope' that's why he won, it's hard to disagree with 'hope'. Ofc i'd want more detailed and nuanced discussion around politics, but so what.
Edited by wojt - 7/28/16 at 6:15am
post #4435 of 8748
As Frank Luntz would say EmOtIoNs will always Trump rational.
post #4436 of 8748
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

not to want, but to expect it, and no most policy information is intentionally vague you can't disagree with something if you don't know the details, the person who provided most detailed and nuanced positions got his ass handed to him and his 'detailed, nuanced stance' produced healines like this WSJ:“Price Tag of Bernie Sanders's Proposals: $18 Trillion'. Obama run on 'hope' that's why he won, it's hard to disagree with 'hope'. Ofc i'd want more detailed and nuanced discussion around politics, but so what.

so you're saying a normal person would expect him to talk out of his ass deliberately so that people won't call him on his shit?

and you're also saying obama didn't have detailed policy proposals and mostly ran on the hope slogan... and thus never had his policy ideas picked apart by the media... cuz he didn't give enough detail to get picked apart on...
post #4437 of 8748
Fuck minimum wage and double fuck more powerful unions in the current mold.
post #4438 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Fuck minimum wage and double fuck more powerful unions in the current mold.
US mold is used to be a perversion, no doubt. Now they are largely extinct or powerless or even prohibited from being formed in a first place. So fears of Unions in US are as rational as fear of zombies. But as we know rational will be Trumped by emotions every time.
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post


US mold is used to be a perversion, no doubt. Now they are largely extinct or powerless or even prohibited from being formed in a first place. So fears of Unions in US are as rational as fear of zombies. But as we know rational will be Trumped by emotions every time.


Are you beta version Alt-Right-Bot?  The Ukrainian programmers are still working out the kinks?

post #4440 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

US mold is used to be a perversion, no doubt. Now they are largely extinct or powerless or even prohibited from being formed in a first place. So fears of Unions in US are as rational as fear of zombies. But as we know rational will be Trumped by emotions every time.

No, Obama managed to get the NLRB stacked and the SCOTUS is about to swing pro-union too. Hillary just cut a deal with the UAW to try and remove Mexico's competitive advantage under NAFTA. I would look for an upswing in union power in the next several years.
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