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Originally Posted by whiteslashasian View Post

Sounds a like we really need to up our racism game when it comes to immigration!

Well, this November is our big chance.
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

So we have different people we talk to. All right, absolute majority of people you speak to want more immigration.
Are we talking about Spanish speaking immigrants?
I admit I know little about that category of immigrants. Except this: Spanish speaking folks looooove to be among other Spanish speaking folks. It's a trend for sure.
They see each other across the room and they drawn to immediate and lengthy conversation with each other forgetting everyone and everything around them. (Trabaho this and trabaho that.....).
So yes, prolly L. Americans want their own folk to come in large numbers so they have someone to talk and talk and talk to.

I am from E. Europe and I would not support more E. Europeans to come to US, unless they are F, under 23 and sluts (none of those praying types please). My friends are of similar opinion.

Ask any educated Brit from London if he wants more chavs to come in? No they don't. Then ask them if they want educated Londoners to come and compete with them for the same NYC jobs? Yep, they would not like that.
You cannot complete with Indians, they just born to be better employees than the rest of us.

I have some friends from Africa and boy don't get me started on what they are saying about their own,(racist bigots). The ones I talked to would literally rather drop a nuke on the whole place than see more of their own come.

Jews, boy they hate every other Jew that are not like them or not from the same background. (anti-semites)

Haitians ?, everyone hates them , they a Koreans of Caribbean. Speaking of which ask any Asian if he wants to see more Koreans come.....hell ask anyone who ever worked with Koreans if they want to see more of them.

I am conflating issues? Immigration and attitudes towards it are not some abstract academic topic. It is always personal and based on experience.

More immigrants means less jobs, lower wages and more subservient behavior from newcomers that leads to more exploitation by employers as well as block voting by said newcomers for DEM or REP. More immigrants is good for Fed and local governments and businesses that exploit them. For people who are already here increased immigration = increased misery.

Wow
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Wow

That wasn't so bad.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

That's a lot more than "the slightest scrutiny applied to immigration." He's A) painting with an extremely broad brush B) creating a conspiracy theory of Mexico seeding our country with criminals.

I see it as him challenging the idea that immigration is always good. People have been hearing this for so long they're shell shocked when someone says differently. A lot of people have finally realized that mass immigration, legal or illegal, is not without consequences.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

I'm saying what the political consequences of Trump's rhetoric are. There are 55 million Hispanics here legally, and they're not going to be enthusiastic to vote for a guy who wants to enact a generation of legal witchhunting for them.

I would hope they (legal Hispanic immigrants) understand the difference between illegal and legal. The idea that legal Hispanic immigrants aren't in favor of enforcing immigration laws brings into question the benefit of mass legal immigration, too. Why are we importing people by the tens of millions who don't want to enforce laws? Isn't that a recipe for disaster? I have to assume the left has played a huge part in convincing legal Hispanic immigrants that being against illegal immigration is somehow a shot at them.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

It would have been possible to have a conversation about immigration reform. The mainstream Republican candidates wanted to do that. Legal immigrants aren't opposed to changing the immigration system, most of them are in favor of it. But Trump poisoned the well. "The base" didn't want a sane and rational conversation about whether our pace of immigration is sustainable and how to address the people who are already here in practical terms, they wanted fire and brimstone talk about deportations and giant walls.

Whether Hispanics turn out to vote or not, we'll see. But registrations were way up earlier in the year.

What the left defines as sane is amnesty, while doing nothing to stop future illegal immigration and not even considering slowing down legal immigration.
Edited by suited - 7/27/16 at 7:17am
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What the left defines as sane is amnesty, while doing nothing to stop future illegal immigration and not even considering slowing down legal immigration.

Sounds like Ronald Reagan to me.
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I'll vote for whomever deports Medwed from Styleforum.
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I enjoy MedWed, Greger, etc.

keeps threads alive.
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Pretty sure Greger kills threads.
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I feel the same way. My opinion on immigration changes based on who we would let in. I talk pretty openly about it when I'm around friends and it raises some eyebrows, but I have a give no fucks rockstar attitude about it.

There are so many asians here in SoCal. Filipinos fit in better than any of them. They are easily the most "American" asians out there. All the others need to be here a few generations to weed out the rude behavior(chinese, koreans) and suffocating passive aggressive attitudes. Working with muslims was very eye opening and I would not want any more of them coming in. Terrorism aside they really do treat women like shit and are horrible to work with. I think part of what makes the culture so bad is that they are not very trusting and have this expectation of being screwed over, basically they expect bad behavior and it makes it somewhat permissible in a way. One of them told me that at weddings when they give away the flower arrangements, they don't wait until the wedding is over, they usually disappear soon into the wedding. I've taken flower arrangements home from weddings but always wait until the end, it never occurred to me to do it any sooner because I would seem like a greedy asshole. But with them, they expect anyone to behave that way, so that behavior is normalized. Having others think of them as a greedy asshole will not stop them. The flowers are there to be taken, that is what they expect to happen.

It might seem like a stretch to relate that to things like rape, but it's there. Lot's a muslims can say that rape is bad, but have the opinion that if a girl is dressed immodestly, of course you just expect it to happen, it's normal. One got on that subject and started to defend his home country of Egypt and pretty much said that. Same mind set as the flowers at weddings.
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I wish we all had one homogenized culture and set of values everyone could agree on.  Can we get on that?  We need to get 300M+ people to just think exactly the same culturally.  Let's get rid of passive agressive people, as an example, not only could we get rid of undesirable Asians, we could deport every native-born Minnesooooooootan.

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

I wish we all had one homogenized culture and set of values everyone could agree on.  Can we get on that?  We need to get 300M+ people to just think exactly the same culturally.  Let's get rid of passive agressive people, as an example, not only could we get rid of undesirable Asians, we could deport every native-born Minnesooooooootan.

If this is argument for diversity I am all for it. Let's just not do that Liberal American diversity where some poor, nasty people with lotsa children move into a dwelling in the nice neighbourhood subsidized by money expropriated from me by the lecherous US government, so they can create diversity in my neighbourhood that would require more law enforcement and thus more of my money expropriated.
Let's do that good diversity where poor creative types moved into the neighbourhood dominated by high income earners, so that they can enrich our shallow 70 hour a week working stiff lives.
Edited by Medwed - 7/26/16 at 1:44pm
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Wahhhhh people don't assimilate into My culture! How dare they have their own wedding customs!
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

Working with muslims was very eye opening and I would not want any more of them coming in. Terrorism aside they really do treat women like shit and are horrible to work with. I think part of what makes the culture so bad is that they are not very trusting and have this expectation of being screwed over, basically they expect bad behavior and it makes it somewhat permissible in a way. One of them told me that at weddings when they give away the flower arrangements, they don't wait until the wedding is over, they usually disappear soon into the wedding. I've taken flower arrangements home from weddings but always wait until the end, it never occurred to me to do it any sooner because I would seem like a greedy asshole. But with them, they expect anyone to behave that way, so that behavior is normalized. Having others think of them as a greedy asshole will not stop them. The flowers are there to be taken, that is what they expect to happen.

It might seem like a stretch to relate that to things like rape, but it's there. Lot's a muslims can say that rape is bad, but have the opinion that if a girl is dressed immodestly, of course you just expect it to happen, it's normal. One got on that subject and started to defend his home country of Egypt and pretty much said that. Same mind set as the flowers at weddings.

 

The whole idea that muslims all have the same customs, cultures and outlook on life is one of the more curious assumptions that I have come across.  I have an ex from Singapore with roots in Malaysia (some were smart/lucky enough to move/live in S'pore before independence) and a sister-in-law from Morocco.  While both were born and raised in Muslim environments they couldn't have been more different due to culture and custom.  When going to the mosque, the Singaporean would don a salwar kameez and a very thin silky head covering that really didn't cover anything while the Moroccan would like a Jawa extra from a Star Wars set.

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