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Isn't that a given in most political candidates at this level? It's like saying, "That guy that just won the Hawaii Ironman? Wow, he's fit."


You're right but it's a question of degree - where you put the decimal point.  I think Cruz scores in certified psychopath territory and Trump scores off the charts.  Many will obviously disagree but I do not think Hillary is a psychopath -- but scores high on the spectrum.  Bill is probably in psychopath land.  As for those of us making these judgments...  Well we all have our opinions.

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You're right but it's a question of degree - where you put the decimal point.  I think Cruz scores in certified psychopath territory and Trump scores off the charts.  Many will obviously disagree but I do not think Hillary is a psychopath -- but scores high on the spectrum.  Bill is probably in psychopath land.  As for those of us making these judgments...  Well we all have our opinions political biases.

Bill is off the charts but Hillary is at least not a textbook psychopath as being highly likable and charming is a key trait and she's the most unlikable presidential candidate ever as at least Trump's supporters like him and I have yet to find anyone that says they actually like Hillary. For this reason I also don't think Cruz is textbook as he creeps everyone completely fucking out so totally misses that key attribute.
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Bill is off the charts but Hillary is at least not a textbook psychopath as being highly likable and charming is a key trait and she's the most unlikable presidential candidate ever as at least Trump's supporters like him and I have yet to find anyone that says they actually like Hillary. For this reason I also don't think Cruz is textbook as he creeps everyone completely fucking out so totally misses that key attribute.

Trump's unfavorable ratings at a national level have long been worse than Hillary's - quite an achievement given how poor hers have been.  Cruz creeps me out but even though he lost the nomination there are millions of people (maybe tens of millions) who really did find him likeable and charming.

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Psychopaths are sometimes likable and charming -- but not always. Not even usually.
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Psychopaths are sometimes likable and charming -- but not always. Not even usually.

I'm obviously not a researcher or clinician in this area but "not even usually" is wrong from everything I've read. Two key characteristics is likable/charming and an ability to play with other's emotions (which I view as an offshoot of the former.)


https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath
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Bill is off the charts but Hillary is at least not a textbook psychopath as being highly likable and charming is a key trait and she's the most unlikable presidential candidate ever as at least Trump's supporters like him and I have yet to find anyone that is not an overweight, middle-aged white woman who says they actually like Hillary. For this reason I also don't think Cruz is textbook as he creeps everyone completely fucking out so totally misses that key attribute.
FTFY. She does have a base of supporters. They are actually very enthusiastic, but it is hard to tell because they tire easily.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


I'm obviously not a researcher or clinician in this area but "not even usually" is wrong from everything I've read. Two key characteristics is likable/charming and an ability to play with other's emotions (which I view as an offshoot of the former.)


https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath


Totally non-scientific anecdote -- I've found in workplace environments that psychopaths do well in job interviews and when they start in their jobs.  People are impressed by them and find them to be charming and confident, sharp and on top of things.  It's as time goes by that the charm wears off and people realize the manipulative, calculating, superficial side of these people. 

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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I'm obviously not a researcher or clinician in this area but "not even usually" is wrong from everything I've read. Two key characteristics is likable/charming and an ability to play with other's emotions (which I view as an offshoot of the former.)

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath

The guy starts his article by saying:
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Many forensic psychologists, psychiatrists and criminologists use the terms sociopathy and psychopathy interchangeably. Leading experts disagree on whether there are meaningful differences between the two conditions.

There is a spectacular amount of utter garbage written about serial killers. Some of it was (is?) even practiced by law enforcement. It pays well. But it's all just pseudoscience and pop psychology nonsense.

That's just my opinion, of course.
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The guy starts his article by saying:
There is a spectacular amount of utter garbage written about serial killers. Some of it was (is?) even practiced by law enforcement. It pays well. But it's all just pseudoscience and pop psychology nonsense.

That's just my opinion, of course.

You are not incorrect. I prefer sociopath term since it is more accurate. There is nothing wrong with most sociopaths psychological sphere, they just don't fit our mass-perception of good, decent or socially acceptable. Sociopaths are quite successful and often head hedge funds, late night TV shows, congressional committees or presidential campaigns. Actually at one point or another we all have worked for or have been lead by one of them.
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Easiest way to tell if someone is a psycho is eye contact. If they stare at you, and they don't break eye contact. Why? Because they are narcissists, and the thought that they might be mean mugging a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Black Belt doesn't matter as long as they get the petty satisfaction of trying to intimidate someone. Have no idea why people are so scared of psychos to begin with. A punch to the nose works well with them too.

Also "psychopaths" for the most part are losers that never amount to dog shit. They don't have the personality for anything long term that would take some commitment, so they live a very parasitic lifestyle. Of course you got plenty of dumb people who will take care of them, and even breed with them.
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A good essay on profiling serial killers: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/11/12/dangerous-minds

Curiously the author seems to think "Milauskas" is a slavic name when it obviously isn't.
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lol true
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

But it's all just pseudoscience and pop psychology nonsense.

And yet you still find it important enough to disagree with me over. Hmm.
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FTFY. She does have a base of supporters. They are actually very enthusiastic, but it is hard to tell because they tire easily.
In my experience, her enthusiastic supporters tend to be overweight, middle aged gay men.
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In my experience, her enthusiastic supporters tend to be overweight, middle aged gay men.


Can you tell us more about your experience?

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