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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post
 

:facepalm:

 

C'mon man - he's actually on your side in your arguments... don't pick fights for no reason.

WTF dude, we agree on nothing and I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

post #3767 of 8748
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Originally Posted by budapest12 View Post
 

WTF dude, we agree on nothing and I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

You're right - you stand on an island, fighting the good fight. A beacon of hope for others 

post #3768 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post


Sides? There are no sides in CE. Just random attacks, illogical statements, and nonsense.

 

And the points don't matter.

post #3769 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post


Muslim communities act in the same way as Black communities by protecting their own from the law enforcement no matter what. We do hold Black ghetto dwelling communities to a different standard than everyone else. Stop and frisk in NY is infamous policy targeting people of color , so as Rockefeller law, and 3 strikes out sentencing etc etc.

Obama is clearly posturing by not saying those words. It is calculated posturing to all muslim governments as he is angling for UN Secretary General position.

 

 

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post #3770 of 8748
" In one case, says Bombaywala, his community network played a role in providing actionable intelligence to an FBI counterterrorist investigation. One of those convicted, Pakistani student Adnan Mirza, was sentenced to fifteen years in prison, in part for conspiring to provide material support to the Taliban in the form of a $350 donation. Two men who had befriended him turned out to be undercover FBI agents. Mirza, who had expressed his opposition to US wars, maintains his innocence and says he was sending the money to a hospital in Pakistan."

This is an evidence muslim community cooperating with FBI or This is pathetic example of American medieval justice system. Giving 15 years for 350.oo donation thank you Bush/Obama for patriot act. Irrelevant scapegoat who is going to rot in jail to be made example of.
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...let's just ignore the fact that the thing you were confident you were right about was complete horseshit and focus on that one example. Yay!
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post


 Steve Gentry, executive manager of the FBI’s counterterrorism program in Houston, estimates that a quarter of its investigations are initiated as a result of information from Muslim community partners. Agents in his office say that in addition to providing intelligence, community relationships are crucial as a way to convey a “counter-radicalization narrative” to the Muslim community. One, for example, occurred earlier this year, when NATO forces began bombing targets in Libya, and the FBI drew up lists of Libyan residents in the United States to be interviewed. In the past, such broad-based interviewing provoked allegations of ethnic profiling. Nowadays, the FBI pre-empts potential opposition by informing its community partners in advance of what it is doing and helping them to mediate any ensuing anger.

The Libya example illustrates the extent to which the FBI’s counterterrorism activities are intimately linked to military interventions abroad

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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

...let's just ignore the fact that the thing you were confident you were right about was complete horseshit and focus on that one example. Yay!

Here is from the same article: FBI has no informants they fishing in social media. Why post long articles without reading them first?

" In Somalia, Deardorff first learned the counterinsurgency principles that he would go on to apply in Texas: understand the culture of the community from which the threat emanates, identify the “centers of influence” in the community and then build relationships with them.

“The citizen of Pakistani descent, his first call is not going to be to the police or to the FBI. His first call is going to be to his patriarch,” says Deardorff. In order to pick up this information, the FBI tries to expand its network of community contacts “to meet in the middle.”

“We’re looking at the social networks around people who are centers of influence. With more refinement, we’ve got youth groups who are either associated with subjects [of investigation] that we have, or we understand there’s a vulnerability to recruitment there, or there’s mobilization that we need to understand, political activism that we need to understand.” This kind of detailed knowledge of social networks in the community, says Deardorff, allows agents to contextualize intelligence that is coming in from other sources."
post #3774 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post


“The citizen of Pakistani descent, his first call is not going to be to the police or to the FBI. His first call is going to be to his patriarch,” says Deardorff.
 
I fail to see how this is different from many other minority cultures.

Edited by venividivicibj - 6/16/16 at 10:30am
post #3775 of 8748
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

You're right - you stand on an island, fighting the good fight. A beacon of hope for others 

Young budapest, it would seem I am not alone in my assessment of you. At some point one has to ponder whether it is indeed one's self and not the rest of the world.
post #3776 of 8748
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

I fail to see how this is different from many other minority cultures.

You are right, religious Jews operate in exactly the same way as Muslims, with one important difference.
post #3777 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post
 There is little doubt in my mind that no muslim would ever informed law enforcement of impending attack. That is why we (by we I mean Western governments) are torturing these people in secret locations abroad . It is because we have no other information sources, as their communities largely protect them and do not cooperate with law enforcement even to prevent loss of civilian lives.
 

So... you admit that this is all incorrect then?  

No muslim would ever inform law enforcement--> concrete repudiation of this was provided.

 

 

And by your logic, we shouldnt be torturing?

We torture because they don't inform--> they do inform--> therefore this premise is incorrect.

post #3778 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post


You are right, religious Jews operate in exactly the same way as Muslims, with one important difference.

What is that difference?

post #3779 of 8748
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

What is that difference?

The curly sideburns.
post #3780 of 8748
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

So... you admit that this is all incorrect then?  
No muslim would ever inform law enforcement--> concrete repudiation of this was provided.


And by your logic, we shouldnt be torturing?
We torture because they don't inform--> they do inform--> therefore this premise is incorrect.

I admit that there are might be a few cases nation wide where self-reported (not extracted) intelligence from Muslim led to prevention of attack. However I made no illusions about Muslim community cooperation with FBI or law enforcement as there are very strong deterrents to it.
First deterrent is their religious community, its tribal culture and its inevitable scorn.
Second deterrent is Patriot Act, by which even minor infraction will result in 10-20 years in jail, in best case and disappearance without access to due process in worst case.

So to sum it up: Religious Muslim has a good degree of sympathy to all those Al Qaeda ISIS freedom fighters and large disenstive of being community pariah if informs.
Secular middle easterner has no incentive to inform out of fear of being dragged into FBI corrupt web of lies and entrapments.
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