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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post


Yet again you don't deny what I said but rather attempt to deflect. Also, as usual, you're completely wrong. I fail to find there are sides to history let alone "the right side." I enjoy reading posts from folks like Fuuma as he's highly educated and intelligent and looks at the world completely differently than I do for many reasons.

You, on the other hand, are just shrill background noise at this point. If you were to move beyond childish posturing you could possibly add something of substance to the conversation but that seems to be beyond you at this point.

I enjoy reading your assessments of who is highly educated and intelligent and who isn't.  Implies you have the wherewithall to definitively make that determination.

 

Anyway, you're consistently the most active poster on SF, seem to have various threads dedicated to your "musings", and I see numerous blanket assertions from you devoid of reasoning and just blasting away with your own worldviews as if they were the only ones and impervious to criticism.  I don't think you're dumb but you have your share of sloppy posts (somewhere in the 40,000+) that are definitely on the lazy end of the spectrum.

 

Fear not, though, I'm burning myself out on the joys of CE.  It's a failed experiment and I hope to recover shortly.

 

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post
 

 

Well, everyone else got it.  So maybe you should take a reading comprehension course.


Native born is anyone who is 2nd generation or older.

Native born category includes the 2nd generation??

post #3752 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

We don't put the burden on a community to police itself. Policing high crime areas differently is not unreasonable, but you can't condemn black people as a community for not stopping drug crime in their communities.

Trump's putting some of the blame on the Muslim community in the US. That's a pretty ugly message. There's no evidence anyone else was involved here. Much like other lone wolf attacks, they're extremely isolated people who kept involvement as narrow as possible. The only person who seems to have had a real possibility to knowing anything was his wife.

This isn't some terror cell in Molenbeek.
And the Republicans are clearly posturing by insisting that he say them. So the fuck what?
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Black crime arguably does not have strong ideology. Muslim terrorists do. That ideology shared by significant portion of muslim community, so yes we can condemn their ideology if it produce terrorism. Just like we can condemn liberal ideology for producing alternate reality where everyone is nice , equal and just wants a cookie.
His father was part of the reason he was radicalised, whether his father or his friends knew anything remains to be discovered. There is little doubt in my mind that no muslim would ever informed law enforcement of impending attack. That is why we (by we I mean Western governments) are torturing these people in secret locations abroad . It is because we have no other information sources, as their communities largely protect them and do not cooperate with law enforcement even to prevent loss of civilian lives.

To your second point : I am pretty sure you know "what the fuck", see my point about liberal ideology.
post #3753 of 8748
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Originally Posted by budapest12 View Post


Fear not, though, I'm burning myself out on the joys of CE.  It's a failed experiment and I hope to recover shortly.

I am sure I am not alone in wishing you a swift recovery.
post #3754 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

I am sure I am not alone in wishing you a swift recovery.

If he suffers from Viktor Orban PTSD it could be a chronic condition.
post #3755 of 8748
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Originally Posted by budapest12 View Post
 

I enjoy reading your assessments of who is highly educated and intelligent and who isn't.  Implies you have the wherewithall to definitively make that determination.

 

Anyway, you're consistently the most active poster on SF, seem to have various threads dedicated to your "musings", and I see numerous blanket assertions from you devoid of reasoning and just blasting away with your own worldviews as if they were the only ones and impervious to criticism.  I don't think you're dumb but you have your share of sloppy posts (somewhere in the 40,000+) that are definitely on the lazy end of the spectrum.

 

Fear not, though, I'm burning myself out on the joys of CE.  It's a failed experiment and I hope to recover shortly.

 

Native born category includes the 2nd generation??


2nd generation of native borne...

 

First generation: NOT BORN HERE

Second generation: BORN TO PARENTS NOT BORN HERE
Native born: EVERYONE ELSE

 

Is that clear for you now?
 

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2nd Generation anchor babies
post #3757 of 8748
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post
 


2nd generation of native borne...

 

First generation: NOT BORN HERE

Second generation: BORN TO PARENTS NOT BORN HERE
Native born: EVERYONE ELSE

 

Is that clear for you now?
 

Yes, now that you just revised the incorrect statement you initially made which I had to check in the research article to confirm it was wrong.  You finally got it right.  Congrats.

 

Actually, what is this "2nd generation of native born"?  Huh?  You created a new category?

post #3758 of 8748
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post
Even more reasons not to bring in Taliban symphatizers like his father and such.
 

Is this true? I remember him saying he didn't like gays but dont remmeber the taliban angle

post #3759 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Medwed View Post

There is little doubt in my mind that no muslim would ever informed law enforcement of impending attack.

You're demonstrably wrong, not that I expect this to change your mind in the slightest. The FBI and other security forces get all kinds of information from the Muslim community.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/fbi-muslim-outreach-terrorism-213765
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“I can say unequivocally that in 10-plus years of my work in the federal government, Arab Muslim and South Asian communities across this country have become one of the greatest resources of protecting homeland security and promoting American values at the same time,” says George Selim, the DHS official who is taking charge of the new task force.

http://www.thenation.com/article/fbis-good-muslims/
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Steve Gentry, executive manager of the FBI’s counterterrorism program in Houston, estimates that a quarter of its investigations are initiated as a result of information from Muslim community partners.

The majority of these kids who tried to leave the country to join ISIS were also apprehended because of tips from either their parents or community members.
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I don't usually reply to such posts as Medwed's, but this is the second time someone has written this and it just happens to be false. I don't think anyone in this thread will care, as in people who knew it will continue to know, and those who had their thumbs buried knuckle deep in their ears ignoring it will continue to do so.
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Michael Downing, deputy chief of the Los Angeles Police Department and head of its Counterterrorism and Special Operations Bureau, said the city’s Muslim community has been cooperative in reporting “red flags.”

“I personally have been called by community members about several things, very significant things,” Downing told Reuters. “What we say to communities is that we don’t want you to profile humans, we want you to profile behavior.”

Charles Kurzman, a professor at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, who has conducted several studies on Muslim-Americans and terrorism, disputed Trump’s criticism.

“To claim there is no cooperation is false and defamatory to the Muslim-American community,” Kurzman said.

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/american-muslims-do-report-extremist-threats-officials-say-20160616
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Muslim-Americans have repeatedly informed authorities of fellow Muslims they fear might be turning to extremism, law enforcement officials say, contrary to a claim by presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump this week.

http://in.reuters.com/article/florida-shooting-cooperation-idINKCN0Z212Y

It also turns out that a bouncer at the club, Imran Yousuf, a muslim and marine vet, helped save lives. Never mind that up to 10% of the physicians in the US are Muslim and probably have helped save countless lives.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/06/15/how-a-heroic-marines-military-training-helped-him-save-dozens-from-orlando-gunman/
post #3761 of 8748
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Originally Posted by budapest12 View Post
 

Yes, now that you just revised the incorrect statement you initially made which I had to check in the research article to confirm it was wrong.  You finally got it right.  Congrats.

 

Actually, what is this "2nd generation of native born"?  Huh?  You created a new category?

:facepalm:

 

C'mon man - he's actually on your side in your arguments... don't pick fights for no reason.

post #3762 of 8748
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

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C'mon man - he's actually on your side in your arguments... don't pick fights for no reason.

Sides? There are no sides in CE. Just random attacks, illogical statements, and nonsense.
post #3763 of 8748
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Originally Posted by budapest12 View Post


Large slice of Right-wing evangelistic America:  How dare you kill our godless faggots who are ruining America.

“Hitler! Keep your dirty hands off our dirty Jews!"

This is typical thinking and can be easily explained, it isn't even a contradiction per se...
post #3764 of 8748
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Originally Posted by budapest12 View Post
 

Yes, now that you just revised the incorrect statement you initially made which I had to check in the research article to confirm it was wrong.  You finally got it right.  Congrats.

 

Actually, what is this "2nd generation of native born"?  Huh?  You created a new category?


That would be someone who is a native born citizen who's parents are also native born citizens.  How is that hard to understand?

post #3765 of 8748
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post
 

:facepalm:

 

C'mon man - he's actually on your side in your arguments... don't pick fights for no reason.


This guy makes JapanAlex seem like a quality poaster.

 

Maybe we can get a thread of him arguing with greger.

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