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This popped up after the Pugsley video. It's interesting how everyone seems to think it's fine to physically interact with this guy and his camera. Funny how frustrated they get every time the police tell them the camera guy has a right to be there.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

This popped up after the Pugsley video. It's interesting how everyone seems to think it's fine to physically interact with this guy and his camera. Funny how frustrated they get every time the police tell them the camera guy has a right to be there.

I'd be annoyed as shit if someone was following me with a camera and kept putting it in my face (like the first guy) over and over. That being said - if you are at a protest you should be able to articulate why you're there, and be okay with people talking to and taking pictures etc (you're there to make a fuss, so deal with he consequences).

 

If I wasn't at a protest, and some guy just started following me off the street and filming me - I'd be pretty creeped out and annoyed.

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My wife, who looks pretty damn white, had similar family stories. Her mom's maternal side always mentioned that they were Native American. A few years ago, my wife looked up old Census records. No Native Americans. They were black. She got in touch with some distant relatives, and a bunch of her family went to a big family reunion. The people were black, white, and everything in the middle.

It was super interesting how the family's stories were just wrong, most likely to hide the fact that they were black. I have no idea what percentage of African heritage she has. It's meaningless. It is a reminder, though, how family stories are often sanitized or manipulated to align with a narrative we think we want to hear.

 

I've read similar stories from AA who always seem to have a NA ancestor or 2...until a dna test reveals that that those ancestors were white.  Having an unknown NA ancestor just sounds better to both groups

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I'd be annoyed as shit if someone was following me with a camera and kept putting it in my face (like the first guy) over and over. That being said - if you are at a protest you should be able to articulate why you're there, and be okay with people talking to and taking pictures etc (you're there to make a fuss, so deal with he consequences).

If I wasn't at a protest, and some guy just started following me off the street and filming me - I'd be pretty creeped out and annoyed.

Well, there's annoyed and then there's physically interacting like that and also direct and immediate threats of physical violence. Funny how it's all peace and democracy until they don't get their way.
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A article from wiki leaks leaked emails of Clinton  doing the bidding of Israel in Syria 

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328

 

 

 

The best way to help Israel deal with Iran's growing nuclear capability is to help the people of Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad,"

 

Bringing down Assad would not only be a massive boon to Israel's security, it would also ease Israel's understandable fear of losing its nuclear monopoly

 

Washington should start by expressing its willingness to work with regional allies like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar to organize, train and arm Syrian rebel forces. The announcement of such a decision would, by itself, likely cause substantial defections from the Syrian military. Then, using territory in Turkey and possibly Jordan, U.S. diplomats and Pentagon officials can start strengthening the opposition. ... Arming the Syrian rebels and using western air power to ground Syrian helicopters and airplanes is a low-cost high payoff approach.

 

 

Not enough neocons policy yet? This shill scandals are never ending.

 

And Google is accused of burying negative stories about Clinton

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/9/google-accused-burying-negative-hillary-clinton-st/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/10/google-denies-burying-bad-hillary-clinton-stories/

 

  Wiki had a piece of google implication also 

https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/

 

Google and alphabet conflict of interest with pals as sergey brin,larry page,eric shcmit and the rest is obvious at this point. 


Edited by satrorianogreco - 6/12/16 at 6:41am
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Considering what just happened in Orlando, I wonder what Trump's poll numbers are going to look like in a week. Hillary wants 65,000 more "refugees."
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A article from wiki leaks leaked emails of Clinton  doing the bidding of Israel in Syria 
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328



The best way to help Israel deal with Iran's growing nuclear capability is to help the people of Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad,"

Bringing down Assad would not only be a massive boon to Israel's security, it would also ease Israel's understandable fear of losing its nuclear monopoly

Washington should start by expressing its willingness to work with regional allies like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar to organize, train and arm Syrian rebel forces. The announcement of such a decision would, by itself, likely cause substantial defections from the Syrian military. Then, using territory in Turkey and possibly Jordan, U.S. diplomats and Pentagon officials can start strengthening the opposition. ... Arming the Syrian rebels and using western air power to ground Syrian helicopters and airplanes is a low-cost high payoff approach.


Not enough neocons policy yet? This shill scandals are never ending.

And Google is accused of burying negative stories about Clinton
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/9/google-accused-burying-negative-hillary-clinton-st/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/10/google-denies-burying-bad-hillary-clinton-stories/

  Wiki had a piece of google implication also 
https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/

Google and alphabet conflict of interest with pals as sergey brin,larry page,eric shcmit and the rest is obvious at this point. 

It's obvious to me.
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Considering what just happened in Orlando, I wonder what Trump's poll numbers are going to look like in a week. Hillary wants 65,000 more "refugees."
"Refugees" are "bad".
post #3503 of 8748
Lolz. Mateen was a US Citizen.
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Lolz. Mateen was a US Citizen.

And you honestly think I didn't know that when I made my post? It was reported very early on that he was a citizen.
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And you honestly think I didn't know that when I made my post? It was reported very early on that he was a citizen.


It's hard to know what you know, what you think you know, and how you make your connections.  Well, maybe not that hard.  Your post meant "American muslim terrorist" = "muslim refugee".  Good for you.

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It's hard to know what you know, what you think you know, and how you make your connections.  Well, maybe not that hard.  Your post meant "American muslim terrorist" = "muslim refugee".  Good for you.

If that's honestly what you believe, don't waste my time in the future by quoting me.
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If that's honestly what you believe, don't waste my time in the future by quoting me.
DGAF
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That's very common. But if she's interested, your wife ought to try the 23andme test. Census records aren't guaranteed to be right for any number of reasons.

My wife told me about family tree dna. It is out of the University of Arizona I believe. It is cheaper and they won't sell your dna to anyone, which I guess 23andme reserves the right to do. They also have midocondrial and x chromosome tests to get even more accurate heritage.
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My wife told me about family tree dna. It is out of the University of Arizona I believe. It is cheaper and they won't sell your dna to anyone, which I guess 23andme reserves the right to do. They also have midocondrial and x chromosome tests to get even more accurate heritage.

23andme gives you mitochondrial and y-chromosome (I think that's what you meant) results. X-chromosome recombines every time so it's not useful for anything (as far as I know). Admittedly, I don't think 23andme claims to test as many SNPs on the mito/y as FT DNA does, but the confidence in what you can derive from extra detail goes down pretty fast because of the small sample sizes (I think...). And it's included in 23andme's cost while FTDNA charges a lot for those tests.

Mitochondrial DNA especially isn't all that useful since it derives from your direct maternal line, and women have historically been much more mobile between populations than men. So mt-dna tends to be spread out much more [and has been throughout history]. So you won't learn much unless yours from another continent from your apparent ancestry, which is very uncommon but not unheard of -- and 23andme will tell you that, at least. Y-DNA is probably more interesting, but 23andme's is quite detailed. At least it is for me.

As far as deriving ancestry from autosomal DNA (the bulk of your DNA, the non y / mitochondrial), FTDNA's is pretty rudimentary. Its estimate by region of Europe isn't nearly as accurate for me as 23andme's. It also seems to be less sensitive (or less speculative) as to minute traces of exotic ancestry. So if you want to claim to be 1/500th native American, you're more likely to be validated by 23andme than FTDNA. Whether those results mean anything, I have no idea.

Also, you can download the raw data from your 23andme test and FTDNA will do the autosomal (relative finding / ancestry / etc) stuff for a modest fee. IIRC it was about $50 when I did it.

It all seems to boil down to the sample sizes, and 23andme is the most popular service, with the most resources, so it's the best.
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23andme gives you mitochondrial and y-chromosome (I think that's what you meant) results. X-chromosome recombines every time so it's not useful for anything (as far as I know). Admittedly, I don't think 23andme claims to test as many SNPs on the mito/y as FT DNA does, but the confidence in what you can derive from extra detail goes down pretty fast because of the small sample sizes (I think...). And it's included in 23andme's cost while FTDNA charges a lot for those tests.

Mitochondrial DNA especially isn't all that useful since it derives from your direct maternal line, and women have historically been much more mobile between populations than men. So mt-dna tends to be spread out much more [and has been throughout history]. So you won't learn much unless yours from another continent from your apparent ancestry, which is very uncommon but not unheard of -- and 23andme will tell you that, at least. Y-DNA is probably more interesting, but 23andme's is quite detailed. At least it is for me.

As far as deriving ancestry from autosomal DNA (the bulk of your DNA, the non y / mitochondrial), FTDNA's is pretty rudimentary. Its estimate by region of Europe isn't nearly as accurate for me as 23andme's. It also seems to be less sensitive (or less speculative) as to minute traces of exotic ancestry. So if you want to claim to be 1/500th native American, you're more likely to be validated by 23andme than FTDNA. Whether those results mean anything, I have no idea.

Also, you can download the raw data from your 23andme test and FTDNA will do the autosomal (relative finding / ancestry / etc) stuff for a modest fee. IIRC it was about $50 when I did it.

It all seems to boil down to the sample sizes, and 23andme is the most popular service, with the most resources, so it's the best.

 

All good info.  Yes, I meant y-chromosome.  I didn't know 23andme actually included all of that.  Good to know.  I'm not very concerned about them selling my information, but it is noteworthy.

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