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post #3466 of 8748
I understand what Piob is saying, I think - the difference between actually changing your mind vs saying you did, and changing your public position for political gain.
post #3467 of 8748
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

I understand what Piob is saying, I think - the difference between actually changing your mind vs saying you did, and changing your public position for political gain.

Bingo.
post #3468 of 8748
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

I understand what Piob is saying, I think - the difference between actually changing your mind vs saying you did, and changing your public position for political gain.

Yeah, that much is clear. And I'm saying that's as obvious a statement as saying the oceans area blue--so what, is it any big surprise politicians behave this way? I don't think anyone can claim Clinton is genuine in her stances, except maybe her stances about being the first female president.

Only perhaps Sanders can claim to not waver with public opinion as he's been screaming the same message of bloody murder for two decades but who can even trust his memory on this now
post #3469 of 8748
And not it seems some are considering a delegate revolt at the GOP national convention. The madness continue
post #3470 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

A $100 DNA test could easily prove whether she's 1/32 Indian. But we all know she's not, so she'll never take one.

And even then, claiming to be a minority because you're supposedly 1/32 anything is laughable.

 

But did she claim to be a minority or did she point out her family ancestry?  

 

 1/32 (and NA at that) is damn near undetectable to the naked eye.  This kid is 1/32 NA and looks like he is more likely to stick his thumb in a dike than smoke em peace pipe

 

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Besides don't a large number of Americans claim that they have a N.A. great great grandmother with high cheekbones and long thick black hair?  I have seen plenty of very Anglo looking people with Dreamcatchers hanging from their rear view mirrors


Edited by Rumpelstiltskin - 6/10/16 at 7:33pm
post #3471 of 8748
I didn't say she was lying about being 1/32 Indian because she doesn't look it. I said she's lying because she's obviously lying -- and because people who have investigated her claims have found no evidence whatsoever to support them. Like this: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/is-elizabeth-warren-native-american-or-what/257415/

Also, most black people are not 100% African (the average is something like 80% or so). That someone had a "black" grandparent doesn't mean he's got 25% African ancestry.
post #3472 of 8748
Warren is a lying piece of shit and so is Harvard. She was specifically called out in the 90s for Harvard's token "minority female" law professor and that claim was based on everyone believing she was NA. There is zero fucking proof of that being true.
post #3473 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Warren is a lying piece of shit and so is Harvard. She was specifically called out in the 90s for Harvard's token "minority female" law professor and that claim was based on everyone believing she was NA. There is zero fucking proof of that being true.
You've sniffed around, done the investigation, corroborated the data? I'm sure you have. Your lying piece of shit detector seems to be off the charts good.
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Originally Posted by budapest12 View Post

You've sniffed around, done the investigation, corroborated the data? I'm sure you have. Your lying piece of shit detector seems to be off the charts good.

When The Atlantic, far, far from an outpost of the VRWC, prints an extensive story that includes birth records for several generations says there's no proof...there's probably no proof. Pretty much anyone but a blind partisan can see Warren is not NA.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

When The Atlantic, far, far from an outpost of the VRWC, prints an extensive story that includes birth records for several generations says there's no proof...there's probably no proof. Pretty much anyone but a blind partisan can see Warren is not NA.

Yeah I saw that. Same story quotes:

"Being Native American has been part of my story I guess since the day I was born," Warren told the Boston Herald in early May. "These are my family stories, I have lived in a family that has talked about Native American and talked about tribes since I was a little girl."

Many prominent figures in American life learn, once the eye of the national press alights on them, that they are not the people who they always thought -- or said -- they were. Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, for example, grew up thinking she came from a Catholic Czech family. It was not until she joined the U.S. Cabinet that she learned her parents -- not her great-great-great-grandmother, but her own parents -- were Jewish refugees who had converted and misled her about her ancestry after losing their families in the Holocaust. "This was obviously a major surprise to me. I have never been told this," she said in 1997, after the Washington Post broke the news. "The only thing I have to go by is what my mother and father told me, how I was brought up," she said.



But lying sack of shit is the scientific term for all this, and helps avoid distinctions, thought, nuance, critical thinking, room for doubt or any other nasty conflicting thoughts.
post #3476 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I didn't say she was lying about being 1/32 Indian because she doesn't look it. I said she's lying because she's obviously lying -- and because people who have investigated her claims have found no evidence whatsoever to support them. Like this: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/is-elizabeth-warren-native-american-or-what/257415/
 

 

Again it is oh so common for Americans (black or white) to talk about a native ancestor that their parents/grandparents told them about who may or may not have existed. 

 

 

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Also, most black people are not 100% African (the average is something like 80% or so). That someone had a "black" grandparent doesn't mean he's got 25% African ancestry.
 

 

I am talking in general. It is well established that 2 children of the same parents can have totally different "racial" percentages and it is not necessarily tied into their phenotype.  for example, after genetic analysis it was determined that singer Neguinho da Beija-Flor is 31% African and 67% Euro.  Who woulda thunk it? SVWDZ3h.gif

 

 

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post #3477 of 8748
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Originally Posted by budapest12 View Post

But lying sack of shit is the scientific term for all this, and helps avoid distinctions, thought, nuance, critical thinking, room for doubt or any other nasty conflicting thoughts.

This is too funny given you're blindly defending Warren and the rest of the article is pretty clear there's no proof, she continues to maintain she's NA, and Harvard specifically cited her as being an NA female law professor. Just admit it's all bullshit or continue with the blind partisanship.
post #3478 of 8748
Googling the guy's name finds that the claim is from 2007. Not all DNA tests have the same reliability in predicting ancestry. There's a substantial chance that it's just wrong.
post #3479 of 8748
The whole Native thing is so fucking strange. It's like they are trying to attach themselves to some mystical beings. How many of these "Natives" have visited their bro's at their local reservation?


Also us true Natives can't grow facial hair for some goddamn reason. Just a little FYI.
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And not it seems some are considering a delegate revolt at the GOP national convention. The madness continue

And for rabbis have denounced him for divisive rhetoric
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