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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

History has demonstrated that people are entirely willing to go against their own economic interests for the sake of prejudice. . . . It's pretty easy to imagine a small town where everybody refuses to sell to gays, or blacks, or whoever. It was common before the Civil Rights act passed.

The government required businesses to provide separate accommodations for blacks, but very few actually refused to sell to them at all. Why would they?
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ITT: I find out EtO agrees with Suited more than he does me.

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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


I'm picking a particular real world example to highlight the consequences of this stance. "I can't buy a cake from the vendor I like!" is easily trivialized, but the very obvious problems of mass discrimination in the not too distant past aren't. I don't think society is going to agree that "Well, it's ok because anyone can be discriminated against!" is much reassurance.

 


Let's not pretend that the government doesn't play a heavy hand in forcing discrimination.  Jim Crow laws forced private businesses to discriminate.

Especially in today's world of social media, internet news, etc, you would not get much discrimination of business owners.  Would some people refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings?  Yes.  Would some businesses refuse to serve black people?  Yes.  Other businesses would serve those customers though.

 

Look at what happened when Target gave money to a Republican gubernatorial candidate: they had boycotts and protestors and all the negative publicity.

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"Let's revert back to when businesses could legally discriminate against any and all racial, ethnic and religious minorities." said no minority group member ever
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You heard it here, folks, all black people think alike.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

History has demonstrated that people are entirely willing to go against their own economic interests for the sake of prejudice. When the majority is persecuting a minority and that practice is widespread, that can have a profound effect on society and the quality of life for those minorities. It's pretty easy to imagine a small town where everybody refuses to sell to gays, or blacks, or whoever. It was common before the Civil Rights act passed.

Actually, it's easy to imagine a small town that refuses to deal with "outgroup" strangers but harder to imagine one that did that to its own outgroup members. People tend to accept outgroup folks that they know personally but discriminate against outgroup members they don't know. Just based on my observations (which we know Eric hates.)
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

You heard it here, folks, all black people think alike.

The Democrats figured this out 50 years ago.
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Originally Posted by rnoldh View Post


The Democrats figured this out 50 years ago.


Yeah, they all thought a Civil Rights Act and not getting lynched by bigots was a good idea as compared to the alternative.  LOLZ.  Little did they know that under an unbridled free market system it made no sense to discriminate against them so they'd have been better off just waiting for the market to kick in and deliver magical goodness to all.  

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Yeah, they all thought a Civil Rights Act and not getting lynched by bigots was a good idea as compared to the alternative.  LOLZ.  Little did they know that under an unbridled free market system it made no sense to discriminate against them so they'd have been better off just waiting for the market to kick in and deliver magical goodness to all.  

 

Again, it was government that compelled discrimination.  Discrimination was decreasing at the time of the Civil Rights Act.  Jim Crow laws slowed down that progress.

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Again, it was government that compelled discrimination.  Discrimination was decreasing at the time of the Civil Rights Act.  Jim Crow laws slowed down that progress.


The moon landing was staged, I get it. 

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The moon landing was staged, I get it. 

His point is not without some merit. I would point you to Plessy v. Ferguson.
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The moon landing was staged, I get it. 


That's a mighty fine straw man you have there.  Tell me, do private companies pass laws or is it governments?  I forget.

 

And to Pio's example, remember that the railroad company opposed the Louisiana law that Plessy was arrested under.

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Apparently Hillary wore a 12.5k jacket while giving a speech against inequality.

Good thing her name is not "Mitt."
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His point is not without some merit. I would point you to Plessy v. Ferguson.


Why don't you explain to me in detail (as if I were a small child) what the merit of the 1896 Plessy case is in the context of his point regarding a civil rights law passed in 1965?  I want to see the genius of this argument.  Really.  Explain it.  I have no clue where the logic in this comparison might be lurking.

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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post
 


That's a mighty fine straw man you have there.  Tell me, do private companies pass laws or is it governments?  I forget.

 

And to Pio's example, remember that the railroad company opposed the Louisiana law that Plessy was arrested under.


You too.  What is your point?  You seem to think that because governments pass laws, not private companies, you have scored some sort of knockout punch.  I have no idea WTF you think you are getting at.

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