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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Aren't banks and mortgage companies private? 

People want to act like any group facing discrimination can just head down the street to the next business, but historically, that hasn't been the case. Single institutions can do significant harm to a discriminated against group, or you can have nearly universal acceptance of the discriminatory policies within society. When every white storeowner in a Southern town won't sell to blacks, you have a serious social issue.

Having grown up in an age where that sort of shit isn't allowed, it's really hard to contemplate going backwards. And I'm a straight white upper middle class male, the least discriminated against of all groups.
post #3287 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

So....yes, lunch counters should be able to deny blacks service.

Just need to establish the principles we're supposedly working under here.

We're, what, 50 years into this whole gun control experiment and it's still trivially easy to get a gun legally in most of the country (state laws being the limiting factor).

This is a very slow moving ploy.

No, I really don't know what you mean. Again you're making a really broad statement without giving examples or even clarifying what you're talking about.

The vast majority of "war on Christianity" complaints hinge around stuff like removing Christian monuments from courthouses or idiocy like Starbucks coffee cups. It's either that or "we should be able to discriminate against gays and/or harlots in our businesses."
But the corrected statement about the real cause being a terrorist attack came out like two days later, and not because of intense pressure or anything. They just made a new statement. "Oh we said it was because of Youtube but it was terrorism." That's a scandal?
Yes, it's a scandal! You have to scream bloody murder and conspiracy over and over and over again until it dominates all conversation and then you open congressional investigations and the Clintons killed Vince Whitewater Benghazi Obama lies!
post #3288 of 8748
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I know you're mocking it, but - Why is Clinton still being attacked over the email servers? I recalling reading both Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice (her predecessors) had the same arrangement; is what she had different?

The FBI is still investigating, and they haven't even spoken to Clinton yet, which leads some to believe that they may have something big and that she'll be indicted.
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Other than "It was a lie!!!", I've never been clear why that line is supposed to matter. Making conflicting statements in the immediate chaotic aftermath of an attack doesn't appear to be a big deal, especially when you correct that statement shortly thereafter. What's the motive supposed to have been for lying, to deflect blame from radical Islam or something?

2012 campaign talking points: We're winning the war against terrorism, troops coming home, etc. etc.
Benghazi: Sept. 2012
Election: Nov. 2012

Thought that was kind of obvious...

(Not that it would have mattered. Romney probably still would have lost.)
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Considering how Obama has approximately five months left in office and mass gun confiscation has yet to occur, he'd better get cracking.

Aside from the background check rule, are guns any harder to get now than they were under Bush? Eight years of gun control hysteria from the right with Obama and you can still buy a gun with a fairly trivial amount of effort.

You cannot buy guns with trivial amount of effort in MA, NY, NJ or CT. You have to submit application , take courses, pass all kinds of licensing BS then renew your licenses for a fee every year and then be a member of some BS club etc etc etc. And then if you manage to buy a firearm you are not allowed to carry it or cross state lines with it. You can have it in the trunk of your car disassembled. You cannot even just go shoot guns at the shooting range in these states without being a member of some bullshit club and taking special classes from retired policemen scumbag.
2 amendment my ass. If any other basic amendment of Const. required so much permits and licenses we would be living in totalitarian state.
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You cannot buy guns with trivial amount of effort in MA, NY, NJ or CT. You have to submit application , take courses, pass all kinds of licensing BS then renew your licenses for a fee every year and then be a member of some BS club etc etc etc. And then if you manage to buy a firearm you are not allowed to carry it or cross state lines with it. You can have it in the trunk of your car disassembled. You cannot even just go shoot guns at the shooting range in these states without being a member of some bullshit club and taking special classes from retired policemen scumbag.
2 amendment my ass. If any other basic amendment of Const. required so much permits and licenses we would be living in totalitarian state.

All of which was done at the state level, as I said. Voting for Trump isn't going to change any of that, barring a pretty serious change in Supreme Court interpretation of the 2nd amendment.
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The supreme court was one vote (Scalia's) away from nullifying the second amendment. If Clinton wins, she will appoint a judge who will do just that. So the idea that the constitution will protect us from gun confiscation is fantasy.
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You cannot buy guns with trivial amount of effort in MA, NY, NJ or CT. You have to submit application , take courses, pass all kinds of licensing BS then renew your licenses for a fee every year and then be a member of some BS club etc etc etc. And then if you manage to buy a firearm you are not allowed to carry it or cross state lines with it. You can have it in the trunk of your car disassembled. You cannot even just go shoot guns at the shooting range in these states without being a member of some bullshit club and taking special classes from retired policemen scumbag.
2 amendment my ass. If any other basic amendment of Const. required so much permits and licenses we would be living in totalitarian state.
 

How many of those laws were passed in the last 8 years?

 

 

I accidentally liked this post and it seems that I cannot unlike it


Edited by Rumpelstiltskin - 6/7/16 at 10:57am
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@suited, I'm curious about your own sense of patriotism (which you describe in passing as self-explanatory). I have a few (genuine) questions:

1. Does your commitment to patriotism lead you to believe that people should generally feel patriotic toward whatever country they happen to have been born/raised in (with exceptions for cases of extreme shittiness or persecution or whatever)? Or do you believe people all around the world should recognize America as the greatest country?

2. Is your patriotism a love of this country a) as it was, b) as it is now, or c) as you think it should be in the future? In other words, is your patriotism primarily nostalgic, realistic, or (for lack of a better term) utopian?

3. Do you think there's a distinction between patriotism and nationalism?
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A volunteer U.S. combat veteran of a war with a foreign power. Now the rest of you chickenhawks and pogues sit down and shut the fuck up

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A volunteer U.S. combat veteran of a war with a foreign power. Now the rest of you chickenhawks and pogues sit down and shut the fuck up

It's cute when you don your alpha persona.
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A volunteer U.S. combat veteran of a war with a foreign power. Now the rest of you chickenhawks and pogues sit down and shut the fuck up

It's cute when you don your alpha persona.

:happy: I love all that patriot horseshit 

post #3297 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltskin View Post

Aren't banks and mortgage companies private? 

Let the people and market determine which businesses survive. One thing we know for certain - nothing bad could ever come from a piece of legislation designed to strong arm lenders into loaning money to people who are not creditworthy.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

So....yes, lunch counters should be able to deny blacks service.

You make it sound as though the only people potentially discriminated against would be black people.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

No, I really don't know what you mean. Again you're making a really broad statement without giving examples or even clarifying what you're talking about.

See below.
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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

@suited, I'm curious about your own sense of patriotism (which you describe in passing as self-explanatory). I have a few (genuine) questions:

1. Does your commitment to patriotism lead you to believe that people should generally feel patriotic toward whatever country they happen to have been born/raised in (with exceptions for cases of extreme shittiness or persecution or whatever)? Or do you believe people all around the world should recognize America as the greatest country?

2. Is your patriotism a love of this country a) as it was, b) as it is now, or c) as you think it should be in the future? In other words, is your patriotism primarily nostalgic, realistic, or (for lack of a better term) utopian?

3. Do you think there's a distinction between patriotism and nationalism?

1) Yes, assuming that country is worthy of patriotism. The rest of the world is not obligated to recognize any country as the greatest.

2) Realistic. Recognize and appreciate that our society is responsible for some of the greatest achievements of the 19th, 20th and 21st century. Arguably more so than any other single country, assuming we could be objective in generating a list of accomplishments. Understand why that is. It's not by accident. It's a direct result of the people - their culture, the economic system, values, etc.

3) Yes, but let's not pretend that all cultures are equal, or that all nations have made similar contributions to mankind.
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^ fair enough
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

Let the people and market determine which businesses survive.

You make it sound as though the only people potentially discriminated against would be black people.

I'm picking a particular real world example to highlight the consequences of this stance. "I can't buy a cake from the vendor I like!" is easily trivialized, but the very obvious problems of mass discrimination in the not too distant past aren't. I don't think society is going to agree that "Well, it's ok because anyone can be discriminated against!" is much reassurance.

History has demonstrated that people are entirely willing to go against their own economic interests for the sake of prejudice. When the majority is persecuting a minority and that practice is widespread, that can have a profound effect on society and the quality of life for those minorities. It's pretty easy to imagine a small town where everybody refuses to sell to gays, or blacks, or whoever. It was common before the Civil Rights act passed.

We really want to go back to the society we had before the Civil Rights Act?
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One thing we know for certain - nothing bad could ever come from a piece of legislation designed to strong arm lenders into loaning money to people who are not creditworthy.
False equivalence there. Forbidding lenders from discriminating based on race is not the same as forcing them to make loans to unqualified people. You can refuse to let race be a negative while not requiring that it be a positive.
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We really want to go back to the society we had before the Civil Rights Act?
 

 

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