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I worked at Harvard for many years in research at Med School and Sch of Public Health, I have seen idiots they enroll (grad students). I only worked there because of grant money that useless School gets in truckloads.
There are quotas and then there are secret quotas, affirmative action faculties (like African Amer Studies) and then there is a horrible culture of minority privilege and PC at that institution.
I remember how they ousted Harvard president for even suggesting that women underrepresented in physics and math fac. because they might simply be less interested in such disciplines, imagine that revelation. He had to resign because idiots like Warren broke into rehearsed chorus of hysterical cries about sexism.
And then, there are studies on dropout rates among minorities at Ivy League Univ. that clearly indicate candidates that got accepted via affirmative action are much more likely to drop out and never to graduate. So it is a double waste; they fail while denying opportunity to other qualified candidate.
Claiming Harvard benefited from hiring Warren is like claiming NASDAQ got its reputation enhanced by Madoff. Both statements are insulting to anyone's intelligence.
post #2912 of 8748
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I don't know anything about Warren's academic career but I'm pretty sure Harvard hasn't hired anyone for excellent teaching since the nineteenth century.

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Isn't that what adjuncts are for?

I feel this is something else @rjakapeanut is uniquely positioned to answer.

Border guards like Trump's wall per the BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36375011
post #2913 of 8748
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Border guards like Trump's wall per the BBC: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36375011

The Wall has turned into this symbol for Trump's campaign, from both sides. It's an interesting battleground for the anti-Trump argument though, because it's not really that unreasonable a proposal. We already have walls, and fairly few people believe that countries can't define their own boundaries. it's just being held up as a proxy for the actually extreme stuff Trump has said, but loses some strength in the process.

The "mass deportation" business ought to be discussed a lot more than the wall. Or confiscating remittance money. For that matter, the "make Mexico pay for it" part tells us more about Trump and is more disconcerting than wanting to build the thing in the first place.
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I know folks will not like this comment (hello @erictheobscure) but Clinton built some walls such as the ones in the San Diego area and this is very conveniently forgotten.
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The Wall has turned into this symbol for Trump's campaign, from both sides. It's an interesting battleground for the anti-Trump argument though, because it's not really that unreasonable a proposal. We already have walls, and fairly few people believe that countries can't define their own boundaries. it's just being held up as a proxy for the actually extreme stuff Trump has said, but loses some strength in the process.

The "mass deportation" business ought to be discussed a lot more than the wall. Or confiscating remittance money. For that matter, the "make Mexico pay for it" part tells us more about Trump and is more disconcerting than wanting to build the thing in the first place.
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Yeah, I've heard that. Sort of a five year turbo-postdoc. At least everybody knows it, so getting rejected for tenure doesn't kill your career.

Apparently (based on the experiences of some friends who initially made it really big in academia), it's really hard to keep a healthy perspective and not to start really believing you might be the exception.

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I worked at Harvard for many years in research at Med School and Sch of Public Health

translation: Medwed sold plasma and signed up to participate in clinical trials

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I know folks will not like this comment (hello @erictheobscure) but Clinton built some walls such as the ones in the San Diego area and this is very conveniently forgotten.

Why would that bother me? I'm not a fan of all of [Bill] Clinton's policies in the past nor am I an ardent [Hillary] Clinton supporter now.
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PS - there's a difference between building walls in places where they might be strategic and proposing a stupid 2,000 mile wall to whip up support from mouthbreathers
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Why would that bother me? I'm not a fan of all of [Bill] Clinton's policies in the past nor am I an ardent [Hillary] Clinton supporter now.
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PS - there's a difference between building walls in places where they might be strategic and proposing a stupid 2,000 mile wall to whip up support from mouthbreathers


It usually seems to bother you when I point out what one side is getting crucified for the other side might actually have done something similar but is now scolding their opponents for doing. Terrible sentence there but whatevs. Also, if you look at the analysis and history of "Operation Gatekeeper" you will see whipping "up support from the mouthbreathers" is just what Clinton was doing as he didn't want the Repubs to own the border security issue. However, this "strategic" placement did not lower overall illegal crossings but rather shifted them to more remote areas, such as Arizona, and thus caused thousands and thousands of deaths that would not have happened.
post #2917 of 8748
Yeah, Bill Clinton has done and actually still continues to do some shit. And just as I never claimed to like and support every single thing Canada does, I also am not a big supporter of Bill Clinton. The point still stands that Trump's wall idea is really fucking stupid--a different order of magnitude stupid Clinton's stuff.

Do you really think your table-turning rhetoric is that convincing or incisive? I mean, you keep doing it and I have no idea why you waste your own or my time with it.
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And then, there are studies on dropout rates among minorities at Ivy League Univ. that clearly indicate candidates that got accepted via affirmative action are much more likely to drop out and never to graduate. So it is a double waste; they fail while denying opportunity to other qualified candidate.

 

This is definitely false.

 

First, there are no studies that actually indicate who was accepted through affirmative action. There are, however, studies that compare white vs. black graduation rates at Ivies. I'm just going to assume you're being lazy and equating being an accepted black student with being a student who was accepted through affirmative action. There's no doubt that a not insignificant amount of black students were accepted through favorable admission policies for minority candidates, but let's not just assume black = affirmative action. Not every black kid denied a spot to another qualified white kid.

 

Second, the studies don't "clearly indicate" black students are "much more likely to drop out and never graduate."

 

One study:

"The most selective private schools—-Harvard, Yale, and -Princeton—show almost no gap between black and white graduation rates. But that may have more to do with their ability to cherry-pick the best students. According to data gathered by Harvard Law School professor Lani Guinier, the most selective schools are more likely to choose blacks who have at least one immigrant parent from Africa or the Caribbean than black students who are descendants of American slaves. According to Guinier's data, the latter perform less well academically."

http://www.newsweek.com/why-minority-students-dont-graduate-college-75143

 

Here's another study that found a range of about 2% to 7% difference across all Ivies. Not really "much more likely."

 

"White students have a higher graduation rate than the rate for African-American students at all eight Ivy League colleges. The largest racial gaps are at Dartmouth and Columbia where the white graduation rate is 7 percentage points higher than the rate for African-American students. The smallest gap is two percentage points at both Harvard and Princeton."

https://www.jbhe.com/2011/11/harvard-has-the-highest-black-student-graduation-rate-in-the-ivy-league/

 

 

You likely are confusing studies of other schools, which do have huge racial gaps in graduation rates, with Ivy League schools. The Ivies are a totally different monster.

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Yeah, Bill Clinton has done and actually still continues to do some shit. And just as I never claimed to like and support every single thing Canada does, I also am not a big supporter of Bill Clinton. The point still stands that Trump's wall idea is really fucking stupid--a different order of magnitude stupid Clinton's stuff.

Do you really think your table-turning rhetoric is that convincing or incisive? I mean, you keep doing it and I have no idea why you waste your own or my time with it.

It's not about what you like though but rather the competing narratives in society this election cycle that I like to think about. You just like to snake-in-the-grass me and jump in randomly; I am now proactively drawing you in so sniping is harder on your part.

Oh, so your beef with Trump's wall is a matter of degree I guess? Clinton's was stupid but Trump's is stupider? And now you're stipulating Clinton's impetus was not dissimilar to Trump's?
post #2921 of 8748
Isn't it time to get rid of "Harvard" and use a more appropriate, culturally inclusive name?
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I'm no fan of walls. The same walls that keep them out keep us in.
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It's not about what you like though but rather the competing narratives in society this election cycle that I like to think about. You just like to snake-in-the-grass me and jump in randomly; I am now proactively drawing you in so sniping is harder on your part.

Oh, so your beef with Trump's wall is a matter of degree I guess? Clinton's was stupid but Trump's is stupider? And now you're stipulating Clinton's impetus was not dissimilar to Trump's?

Yes, the difference between a good idea and a bad idea often reduces to a matter of degree. A ten-mile wall (or whatever) might be a good idea when a 2,000-mile wall is a batshit stupid idea. Or, a ten-mile wall that's commensurate with the problem at hand might be a good idea. In order for a 2,000-mile wall to be a good idea, there had better be a horde of conquerors on the other side who are mysteriously powerful despite lacking modern wall-breaching (or flying) capabilities. Last time I checked there is no such horde of conquerors except in the imaginations of Trump-supporting mouthbreathers.

I don't know anything about these Clinton walls that you've latched onto in your desperate attempt to say something clever. Maybe they were effective, maybe they weren't. I have no idea. But I do know that Trump's non-plan to build a 2,000-mile wall is fucking stupid. The mere fact that these Clinton walls were apparently actually constructed whereas we all know nobody's going to build a wall across the entire U.S. - Mexico border is indicator enough of just how stupid Trump's rhetoric is.

Now stop wasting my time.
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At what points does this wall become insurmountable enough to  be more than a minor inconvenience

post #2925 of 8748
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This is definitely false.

First, there are no studies that actually indicate who was accepted through affirmative action.


There are studies that show that blacks receive a 230 point bonus on their SAT score. Hispanics get a 185 point bonus, and Asians have a 50 point SAT penalty.


http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-adv-asian-race-tutoring-20150222-story.html


Affirmative action devalues achievements of privileged minority students. It turns an Ivy League degree into a participation trophy.
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