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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Serious question: do you honestly think a libertarian candidate has any meaningful chance of winning a Presidential election in this country, even if he were given "fair" media coverage?


The media focuses on the major party candidates because they're realistically the only ones who can win. .

It seems to me that american elections are 99.99% media and therefore money.

Its funny how quick wit in debates counts for so much. Or if some candidate makes some silly mistake (trump excludeD) he immediately tanks in the polls, or if they focus on some silly scandal, etc....
post #2732 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post


Serious question: do you honestly think a libertarian candidate has any meaningful chance of winning a Presidential election in this country, even if he were given "fair" media coverage?

 

Serious question: Should I answer your question after you didn't answer mine upthread?

 

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     The media focuses on the major party candidates because they're realistically the only ones who can win.

 

By this metric the media shouldn't have given George McGovern, Walter Mondale, Bob Dole or John McCain any coverage.

post #2733 of 8748
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Originally Posted by NickCarraway View Post

Serious question: Should I answer your question after you didn't answer mine upthread?

Which question was that?
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By this metric the media shouldn't have given George McGovern, Walter Mondale, Bob Dole or John McCain any coverage.

Oh, ok. That's clearly a reasonable logical extension.
post #2734 of 8748
I'm on the UC Irvine campus two days a week. It's the only real face to face exposure to SJW types I get. There seems to be a pretty large number of middle eastern students on campus relative to the surrounding area, so I assume most of them are foreign born.
post #2735 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

I'm on the UC Irvine campus two days a week. It's the only real face to face exposure to SJW types I get. There seems to be a pretty large number of middle eastern students on campus relative to the surrounding area, so I assume most of them are foreign born.

 

Turns out UC Irvine doesn't teach confirmation bias.

post #2736 of 8748
oh hi reggs
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

Trump challenged the British muslim mayor to an I.Q. test. The mayor did not take him up on the challenge.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/politics/donald-trump-cameron-khan/

I love this guy.

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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

Reggs, I hereby challenge you to an I.Q. test.

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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

BTW, I'm completely serious. I'd even like to up the ante: Reggs and I take the same IQ test, and the one who scores lower (i.e., Reggs) agrees never to post again on SF.

Deal?
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Oh, hey Fredo. I'll never leave SF. I'm staying here forever.
post #2738 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

Oh, hey Fredo. I'll never leave SF. I'm staying here forever.

This could either mean:

1) You take up my stupid IQ challenge and are confident that you will win. (Which is absurd because you're an imbecile.)

2) You refuse to take up my stupid IQ challenge. In context, this refusal amounts to the following:

Trump creates more asinine fake publicity by issuing a stupid IQ challenge that he knows no respectable official (i.e., the newly elected mayor of London) would take up. Imbeciles like Reggs think this is awesome good fun! Which is ironic since an imbecile like Reggs doesn't particularly want to take up an IQ challenge either.

This irony isn't just a contradiction. It's indicative of the way the intensity of support for Trump is entirely commensurate with how logically ass-backwards this support is. (E.g., we need a president who's a great businessman, so let's support the guy who inherited much of his wealth/position, is famous for getting himself bankrupt, and continues to inflate his actual success! Or, we need a candidate who is committed to reforming an ostensibly corrupt political system, so let's support the seedy real estate and casino developer with documented mob ties!)
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When the believer has faith, the absurd is not the absurd--faith transforms it, but in every weak moment it is again more or less absurd to him. The passion of faith is the only thing which masters the absurd.
post #2739 of 8748
I even autographed it for you. Apparently I'm "gifted" and in the 92nd percentile.



Seriously though, the fun for me is just being amused by Trump and enjoying how persuasive he is. I don't feel nearly as passionate about politics as I use to. It's my entertainment now.
post #2740 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

Seriously though, the fun for me is just being amused by Trump and enjoying how persuasive he is. I don't feel nearly as passionate about politics as I use to. It's my entertainment now.

Yeah, this is the problem. Stupid shit-talking is entertainment fit for venues like a men's fashion forum--not for a presidential election, unless you not only feel less passionate about politics but have grown so completely cynical as to think that entertainment is all that's left anyways.

Or, maybe a different way to put it: Trump's entertainment value is leading you to take him as persuasive when he's not. Or, at least, when he shouldn't be. He's perfectly comfortable spouting off incoherent drivel that some people are willing to take as persuasive just for the entertainment value. If that's not a sin against politics, it's a sin against decent reasoning.

But, in any case, I suppose I should live up to my end of my shit-talking deal even if that deal was never agreed to.
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post #2741 of 8748
I still care about politics, but I spend so much time reading the news just because I like seeing how the "system" works. It's the same reason I enjoy watching House of Cards. There are just a few issues that really get to me.

Persuasion has little to do with reasoning. Trump is most definitely persuasive. This stuff fascinates me because I work in marketing. I love seeing someone like Hillary who changes what she says based on polling and focus groups go against someone like Trump who just has this persuasive instinct that's present even in candid conversations and debates.

Congrats on your IQ test idea. I decided to go easy on you and not counter offer a dick measuring contest.
post #2742 of 8748
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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

This irony isn't just a contradiction. It's indicative of the way the intensity of support for Trump is entirely commensurate with how logically ass-backwards this support is. (E.g., we need a president who's a great businessman, so let's support the guy who inherited much of his wealth/position, is famous for getting himself bankrupt, and continues to inflate his actual success! Or, we need a candidate who is committed to reforming an ostensibly corrupt political system, so let's support the seedy real estate and casino developer with documented mob ties!)

This is a very weak arguement, there are multiple studies how vast majority of lottery winners go bunkrupt within few years of winning money. "Small loan of million of dollars" wouldn't amount for much if Trump's dady didn't teach him how to do buisness. So he was spoon fed because he was given both money and know-how, which is something lottery winners don't get along with their money. He was for sure forunate to be born in wealthy family but still his background is an asset to a potential voter as he managed to keep and expand his father's buisness- that's way more than most politicans can put on their resume.

This is a problem with a lot of Trump criticsm, you concentrate on Trump's strength and sell it as a weakness instead of for example attacking his inexcusable stance on torture. This is the very definition of logically ass-backwards.

ps. grats on your IQ test results guys cheers.gif
Edited by wojt - 5/24/16 at 7:11am
post #2743 of 8748
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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

Yeah, this is the problem. Stupid shit-talking is entertainment fit for venues like a men's fashion forum--not for a presidential election, unless you not only feel less passionate about politics but have grown so completely cynical as to think that entertainment is all that's left anyways.

Or, maybe a different way to put it: Trump's entertainment value is leading you to take him as persuasive when he's not. Or, at least, when he shouldn't be. He's perfectly comfortable spouting off incoherent drivel that some people are willing to take as persuasive just for the entertainment value. If that's not a sin against politics, it's a sin against decent reasoning.

But, in any case, I suppose I should live up to my end of my shit-talking deal even if that deal was never agreed to.
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Trump is persuasive. He poses the IQ challenge because there's absolutely no way it could work against him. First, whoever he challenges won't take the bait. Even if they did, the test couldn't be conducted in a fair manner. Trump could have someone take it for him, so could the other guy. Unless the two of them meet in a room somewhere and they take a hard copy version, administered by an impartial 3rd party, the results would be meaningless. IQ doesn't = automatic good leader, but that's beside the point.

Anyway, I gave up on one question because I had a meeting. I now challenge you to toe and finger proportion contest.
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post #2744 of 8748
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Originally Posted by Reggs View Post

Persuasion has little to do with reasoning.

amazing, a complete willing suspension one's critical faculties. oh! the bridges i have to sell...
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Originally Posted by suited View Post

Trump is persuasive.

apparently, if you refuse to think, this is the logical conclusion.

this IQ test is complete garbage Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
how does a 5 minute test capture anything ?

post #2745 of 8748
Shit, TS beat me. I was just getting ready to drop a 148.


Free IQ Test
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And as we all know I'm an idiot I have to agree with TS the test is bull.
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